Trump vs Hillary 2016

Maybe there's a few more snipers then?

Quote: ams288

But how can you believe anything he says?

Do you believe Mexico will pay for the wall?

Do you believe he's gonna "drain the swamp" with all the billionaires he's assembling for his cabinet? With the Goldman Sachs guy as Treasury Secretary?

Do you believe he will get rid of ISIS quickly? That he knows more than the generals do about ISIS?

I find it interesting how Trump supporters pick and choose which issues they believe he is telling the truth about....

You either get the Trump or you don't. If you don't get it by now you probably never will which explains the ongoing and never ending angst of the leftist/progressives. You'll never understand why Mrs. Bill Clinton lost to a self serving buffoon.

Quote: pew

You either get the Trump or you don't. If you don't get it by now you probably never will which explains the ongoing and never ending angst of the leftist/progressives. You'll never understand why Mrs. Bill Clinton lost to a self serving buffoon.

So you have no answer.

It's too bad Perot didn't win in 92. He'd have been terrible, and the American people would know better than to entrust their country to an inexperienced populist billionaire. Plus he wasn't the racist, xenophobe that Trump is.

Quote: Nareed

It's too bad Perot didn't win in 92. He'd have been terrible, and the American people would know better than to entrust their country to an inexperienced populist billionaire.

Much better to entrust it to an inexperienced
community organizer who had zero business
experience, zero dealings with other countries,
and who sat in Reverend Wright's extremely
racist white hating/Jew hating church for 20
years? Do that and you get the F'd up mess
of country we have now. 20 mil who have
quit looking for work, a health care plan that's
going broke, food stamp rolls at record highs,
companies leaving the US in record numbers.
Barry will go down as the worst president
in 150 years.

Quote: Evenbob

Much better to entrust it to an inexperienced
community organizer who had zero business
experience, zero dealings with other countries,
and who sat in Reverend Wright's extremely
racist white hating/Jew hating church for 20
years? Do that and you get the F'd up mess
of country we have now. 20 mil who have
quit looking for work, a health care plan that's
going broke, food stamp rolls at record highs,
companies leaving the US in record numbers.
Barry will go down as the worst president
in 150 years.

I'm sure that's what the reporters at Breitbart will keep telling you over the next four years.

There is no need to even attempt to argue with a rightie like Evenbob over Obama's legacy. The poll numbers speak for themselves...

Notice how he mentions 20 mil who have stopped looking for work. I have a feeling come Jan. 20, he will never mention the labor participation rate again under Donald's regime.

Quote: ams288

There is no need to even attempt to argue with a rightie like Evenbob over Obama's legacy. The poll numbers speak for themselves...

Poll numbers do not rate a presidency. Obama at this point looks to be at best average in a historical sense.

Quote: AZDuffman

Poll numbers do not rate a presidency. Obama at this point looks to be at best average in a historical sense.

Yes... they do. Poll numbers are data. They shift over time. We can look at Obama's poll numbers at this point in his presidency and also those of Reagan, Clinton, and W. at the same point and see how they compare.

Saying he's best at average "in a historical sense" is pure nonsense with no substantiation.

I could say "He's the greatest of all time - in a historical sense" and it'd be just as nonsensical, but carry the exact same weight as your assessment since neither of us provided any evidence.

Quote: ams288

There is no need to even attempt to argue with a rightie like Evenbob over Obama's legacy.

Obama's legacy achievement should have been the Transpacific Partnership. But that got lost in the passions of the present.

It's too bad. As it is, the Americas as a whole run s a trade deficit against most Asian nations. Lots of trade barriers would have fallen. Now they won't, and it will push many countries in Asia inside China's economic and commercial sphere of influence.

Quote: ams288

Yes... they do. Poll numbers are data. They shift over time. We can look at Obama's poll numbers at this point in his presidency and also those of Reagan, Clinton, and W. at the same point and see how they compare.

Saying he's best at average "in a historical sense" is pure nonsense with no substantiation.

I could say "He's the greatest of all time - in a historical sense" and it'd be just as nonsensical, but carry the exact same weight as your assessment since neither of us provided any evidence.

The poll numbers are "data"...but there is other "data" to consider:

--The President has remained personally popular, which is one data point.
--His party, with the most experienced candidate to ever run for the office of President, lost the office to an outsider with zero experience.
--His party lost ground in individual states across the country
--His party failed in what, based on his poll numbers, should have been a great opportunity to win the Senate.

I have no idea where he will place on the rankings of Presidents moving forward...but his terms as President did not excite the voters enough to want more of the same...