Simple question?

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Just because you haven't had such an experience does not mean that it doesn't exist.
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You should have the least trouble understanding why extremists kill people. You don't require any stricter standard of evidence than any of them.

Quote: Evenbob

A cause? They can't find even the supernatural,
let alone a cause for it.

Very true, thank you.

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The fact that you think it does exist
shows your continuing ignorance
and contempt for science.

The fact that you think it does not exist shows your continuing ignorance and contempt for philosophy and logic. In order to avoid the impossibility of an actual infinite regress there needs to be a non-contingent first cause of all things. Without it nothing else can exist.

I'm still convinced if god exists at all, that god made the proper methods of discovering and falsifying evidence for a reason. He made logic and facts that are provable in a real sense. He made all this for humanity, for us to use PROPERLY, not so people could make up fiction, believe in unprovable assumptions and give worth to supernatural claims. He, if he exists, gave you the ability to prove and falsify and you dare to offend god by misusing your brain.

Infinite regression is a fallacy. It's nothing more
than a mind puzzle. it has no bearing on reality.
It's a pointless worthless exercise. Infinite
regression? You might as well be talking about
Nareed's favorite subjects, alchemy and astrology.

Exactly infinite regression is an impossibility! Without God you will fall into that fallacy every time!

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Exactly infinite regression is an impossibility! Without God you will fall into that fallacy every time!

The universe has been here forever, we just
can't see that because we're part of it. Start
with that premise and your god will disappear
like a puff of smoke, as will all your arguments.

What evidence do you have for this belief?

Before science discovered an expanding universe many people did hold this view, including many great theologians. However even holding that the universe is eternal they still knew it had to have if not a cause, a first mover.

It's not just causes that will throw you into an infinite regress, your idea of an eternal universe that changes or has movement and history also makes you fall into that fallacy.

By the way if you are going to posit the belief in an eternal universe even though we can't see it then aren't you making a philosophical truth statement? I thought these things were only your opinions?

Quote: FrGamble

What evidence do you have for this belief?

It's not a belief, you know it already.
Everybody does. Even science is
finally discovering what the oldest
religions have always known.

"The universe had no beginning. It's existed forever as a kind of quantum potential before ‘collapsing’ into the hot dense state we call the Big Bang."

There was a BB, but it happened in an infinite
universe that has no beginning and no end.
Just like us.

http://earthsky.org/space/what-if-the-universe-had-no-beginning

Quote: FrGamble

You aren't describing religious experience of God at all. It is more like a deep friendship. It is not some intense experience or hallucination, in prayer the experience is like being with a good friend.

1) you make it sound like a 5-year old with an imaginary friend.

2) Then Paul didn't have a religious experience when Jesus allegedly appeared to him, and neither did Constantine when Jesus allegedly went Pagan and promised a quid-pro-quo. Good to know.

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Actually its not only that science can't explain or find a cause for the supernatural, science cannot discover a cause for the natural either.

That old bromide is starting to get stale, you know. What makes you think nature needs a cause? Oh, I do know. What makes you think the one true god Amun does not require a cause? I do know that too. So now we dispense with rhetorical tricks and get to the point: what proof do you have that you're right?

But I do know that as well. Shoot.

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Science is limited by space an time and observation it can't go past the Big Bang singularity. That is where philosophy and theology reside.

Theology definitely does. Science and philosophy deal with real things.

Quote: Evenbob

It's not a belief, you know it already.

How do you "know it already"? Is it just a feeling you have in your gut?

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"The universe had no beginning. It's existed forever as a kind of quantum potential before ‘collapsing’ into the hot dense state we call the Big Bang."

There was a BB, but it happened in an infinite
universe that has no beginning and no end.
Just like us.

http://earthsky.org/space/what-if-the-universe-had-no-beginning

Rather than get into another discussion about how scientists are not the best philosophers let me just point out that this model just jumps out of the frying pan and into the fire in regards to the need for God. Even if you feel in your heart that the universe is eternal you still need to describe the obvious and impossible to deny movement and change that is present in the universe. What first caused this movement? If the dominoes are falling there their must have been something to first push the dominoes over. Without it you would have nothing other than silent and still matter. You still need a first unmoved mover even more desperately than you would need at creator.