Simple question?

Quote: FrGamble

I don't follow your offensive remarks. Is there a logical statement or thought there or not?

Here's a thought.

Would you advise a teen to not have sex before marriage, but if they do, to be sure and NOT use contraception?

I happen to think teens can be called and held to a higher standard then the awful low standard society seems to thrust upon them causing so much emotional, physical, and spiritual pain. My advice would always and every time to save yourself for marriage. It is the only reasonable and safe thing to do.

Quote: Evenbob

Probably ....

I am in a quandary about what to do about Evenbob's ridiculousness and hateful false stats. I shouldn't say anything but I don't want anyway to think they are based on anything other than prejudice. I'll just leave it at that.

Quote: FrGamble

I am in a quandary about what to do about Evenbob's ridiculousness and hateful false stats. .

Hateful? Just reporting what I read.

http://www.virtueonline.org/only-half-catholic-priests-are-celibate-mike-mcmanus

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19900812&id=_YRSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jDYNAAAAIBAJ&pg=7170,2259677&hl=en

Here is a better link to an interview with a priest who has worked most of his life helping priests who is actually a psychologist and whose study is larger and more extensive than any of the above older and smaller personal studies.

https://zenit.org/articles/study-most-priests-are-happy-appreciate-celibacy/

Quote: FrGamble

I happen to think teens can be called and held to a higher standard then the awful low standard society seems to thrust upon them causing so much emotional, physical, and spiritual pain. My advice would always and every time to save yourself for marriage. It is the only reasonable and safe thing to do.

Your never question your script; just try to justify it.

I suppose if you were at the Crucifixion you would justify letting Jesus suffer and die on the cross, even if you had a chance to free him. Maybe you can ask the Pope this last one. I'd like to hear what he would do.

Quote: rxwine

Your never question your script; just try to justify it.

You don't know me and I always question everything it is the only way to get to the truth. The truth doesn't need me to justify it. I'm sorry if you can't handle it but maybe you should question a few things yourself instead of this childish way of assuming what I do or don't do.

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I suppose if you were at the Crucifixion you would justify letting Jesus suffer and die on the cross, even if you had a chance to free him. Maybe you can ask the Pope this last one. I'd like to hear what he would do.

You can ask the Pope sometime, but as for me I think I would have the knowledge that the Apostles and disciples did not and that is that this suffering and death leads to the Resurrection, not just for the Lord but for all of us. Jesus Himself said to Peter to put away His sword and it was for this hour that I came. You might not always understand the reasons behind your commander's orders put that is because you don't have all the information. I would trust that if the Lord Jesus, true God and true man, wanted to avoid suffering and dying on the cross to save all of humanity He wouldn't need me to free Him.

Quote: FrGamble

Jesus Himself said to Peter to put away His sword and it was for this hour that I came.

Another quote that Jesus never said,
according to the seminar. Ever notice
that the most poignant things attributed
to Jesus were added much later to
beef up the story. It's what the pulp
fiction writers did to the old west
heroes after they were dead. Embellished
the crap out of them to make them
seem more credible. A very old art
form, as evidenced in the NT.

Quote: FrGamble

Only a very strange person would call obedience to truth slavery.

Truth is a quality assigned to facts and statements, it's a result of judgment. How can you obey that?

What you're obeying is the arbitrary authority of your deity. This would be bad if Jehovah were real, it's much worse given there is no god.

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The Church has supported the full legal rights of same-sex couples as well as the elimination of prejudice and mistreatment of homosexuals.

And so recognizes them as equals to everyone else, that Catholic charities will rather throw orphans under the bus than help a same sex couple adopt.

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I'm sorry but you don't know.

I do know. I've made a very strong case over years here that I do know. Kindly stop telling me what I know.

I do have a question.

You know, or should know, I've rejected your theology (and all others). Why do you think I accept it and you can impress me by reminding me of it? Seriously, your reply about "obeying" one's desires (how??) and wanting to be god (WHY would anyone so want to debase themselves????????), make no sense at all. This is not the first time you've brought them up. You can quote the whole Bible from beginning to end at me, and I won't be impressed by it.

I've this feeling you think I really do believe in the Jehovah/Jesus/holy ghost thing, and I really do believe and accept every word and comma in the Bible, and words fail me at this point. I've no idea what you think that means. But to set the record straight, not only there is no god of any kind, and there has never been one, I also don't regard anything in the Bible to be sacred or even particularly relevant to my life.

Quote: Dalex64

Contraception predates Christ by at least 2000 years.

Contraception was very likely practiced by our pre- h. Sapiens ancestors. It's rather easy to figure out sex results in babies.

Effective, reliable, safe contraception is more recent