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December 28th, 2015 at 5:04:26 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I beg to differ.
What's the catch? If there is any justice in the world, and of course it's never guaranteed, and Jehovah were real, and of course he isn't, he should by all rights be made to account for his many crimes.
So if your brother commits murder, the state can execute you to make him atone for his crime?
That's a sick notion.
Yes there is: when does the answer begin to make logical sense? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
December 28th, 2015 at 5:05:00 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
First of all, you can't even prove sin exists, so there is nothing to be 'saved' from. The whole thing is ridiculous. It's a scam to get the ignorant into the Church so they can be controlled. It's not working very well anymore, oh well. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 28th, 2015 at 5:55:52 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18212 |
It is not that sin can be "proved." Let's make it more simple. In their natural state, humans are if not evil then at the least not good. If you were not told otherwise, you would not see anything wrong with killing, stealing, or any other number of things people can do. If you doubt this, just look at nature. btw. Human nature can sink very low. Unless you have no moral code, sin does exist. You may call it something else, but it is there. The President is a fink. |
December 28th, 2015 at 6:11:11 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
sin1 sin/ noun noun: sin; plural noun: sins 1. an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law. Divine, meaning gods law. There is no god, therefore there can be no sin. You don't need a god to be moral, or to be 'good', god has nothing to do with anything. It's a myth meant to control the rabble. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 28th, 2015 at 7:27:27 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | The bible:
A pope:
Here a pope is contradicting the bible. And here a pope is contradicting a pope:
That last one is on the wikipedia page, and it is an interpretation or summary of the pope's words. The citation on wikipedia is to the vatican's webpage. So I think Nareed's original question is still unanswered. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
December 28th, 2015 at 8:21:24 PM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | You asked what Christians mean by salvation and you have your answer. It's nothing to be debated. It is what it is. That's what they mean. It's simple. The sun rises in the east, there's no point in arguing that east actually means something else or that the sun really doesn't rise. Everyone knows what the sun rises in the east means. |
December 28th, 2015 at 8:26:29 PM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | The answer may not make logical sense to you, but that's not the point. The answer is the answer. Maybe you should have asked if Christian salvation makes logical sense to people on the forum. |
December 28th, 2015 at 9:13:56 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
It doesn't make logical sense to anybody, that's why it cannot be explained. The premise of it rests on nothing but myth and conjecture, and once you've swallowed all of that, it still makes no sense. I don't think it's supposed to make sense, that's the point. To the bumbling uneducated peasant mind of a thousand years ago, it was a riddle wrapped in an enigma, so it must be true. Don't think about it, just believe it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 29th, 2015 at 6:05:54 AM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | It does make sense to believers. It is impossible for those who don't. It surely is an enigma. |
December 29th, 2015 at 6:22:36 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Why would an existence without "God" be a bad thing? Why is there a need to be "saved" in the first place, if this "God" person "loves" you so much? Why must one have faith, trust, confidence, love or whatever for Jesus, because he was unfairly executed? Outrage on his behalf, I can understand. I agree you provided an answer, and I'm sure it's correct, but it's neither self-evident in meaning nor easily understood. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |