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Did you ever notice?
| November 19th, 2015 at 6:49:42 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Everyone believed in God on both sides of the ocean. The point of was to tell them of Jesus Christ who is the revelation of God who became one of us, died for us to set us free from our sin (and yes everyone believed in sin too). While simple logic will bring us to believe in God the gift of God's revelation in the person of Jesus Christ needs revelation and missionary work. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| November 19th, 2015 at 6:56:07 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Not at all. Everyone used to believe the sun orbited the Earth until evidence became available to show us we were wrong. Not many people believe in witches and such anymore because there is not evidence to think such things. All I am saying is that mostly everyone believes in God until there is evidence to not believe in such. I'm still waiting for your evidence as to why you don't believe.
There is ample evidence that about 13.7 billion years ago the universe came into existence and is expanding. Besides that there is the fact that contingent matter cannot create itself. There is no assumption at all. It seems like you are the one making the assumption that the universe has been here forever without a beginning, stop doing that, it is silly.
Can you explain this a little bit? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| November 19th, 2015 at 6:57:23 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What question is not allowed to be asked? All questions are important, it is how we discover the truth. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| November 19th, 2015 at 6:58:30 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
Even the Bible mentions idol worship. Plus, voodoo, worship of nature, practice of human sacrifice for favors, polytheism, humans as gods (pharaohs). No people don't come to universal conclusions. Disproved. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| November 19th, 2015 at 7:08:51 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Surely it was an inadequate conception of God, but they did believe in "God" in their error filled ways. Again this is why we need revelation to take our universal raw conception of God and bring it into perfection. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| November 19th, 2015 at 7:30:34 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
Might as well worship the moon and call it Catholicism. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| November 19th, 2015 at 7:49:34 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
The source of my non belief is a total lack of evidence.
The universe has been here forever in one form or another. So what. You and I have been here forever in one form or another. Live with it.
I never made a conscious decision not to believe in lots of things. Unicorns, fairies, cave trolls, Roman or Greek gods, Bigfoot, on and on. You seem to think a atheist weighs all the 'evidence' and makes a 'decision' on god. There is no evidence, so there is no decision to make on god or cave trolls or Santa. What's fascinating is people who are high up in a religion, an evangelist or a priest, and they slowly come to the conclusion there is no god. The work they have to go thru to see all the lies and the illusions, just to get to where atheists are already. It's no wonder some them go the rest of their lives pissed off at the religion that duped them. My friend Ed, the ex priest, says he's still embarrassed and humiliated he actually believed all that crap they taught him is seminary 60 years ago. It starts to get interesting about 4min into this video. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| November 19th, 2015 at 8:02:03 PM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Mar 25, 2013 Threads: 5 Posts: 732 |
Fr, your religion is far from perfect and it, in my opinion, is not ordained from God, though it does come down through ancient tradition. Most protestants feel, for example that the translations, rituals, and routines that Catholics set up are not biblically based. The act of confessing to a priest, for example. The transformation of grape juice and cracker to blood and body of Christ, the existence of purgatory, the meaning of Mary, things that you strongly believe in but I do not. We can talk about how the 15th century Catholics treated dissenters such as Hus (executed) and Wycliffe (exhumed and burned after death). We can talk about the sale of indulgences, the Pope Alexander's fathering of many children. Because of this corruption and the creation of the Gutenberg press, Protestants were able to break away. By wrongfully accusing the Catholic church and its corruptness as being associated with the antichrist combined with the belief of salvation through faith alone, the Protestant church was allowed to be created and thrive, despite the Inquisition and 30 years War. So my response to you, FrGamble, is that protestants came about because of an abuse of power by the popes of the time, and rightfully so. How can you possibly expect the Christian faith to "be one" when you had the popes of the time practice completely unbiblical practices. Even today, you have practices of hiding sexual abuse and other corruption which are not Christian practices but were covered up by the Catholic leadership of the day. This is why there are flavors of Christianity: there had to be alternatives to the apparent corruption of the 15th century Catholic popes, a path to heaven that did not rely on the Catholic practices and beliefs. For me, that simple belief is that spoken of Him in John 3:16. All Christians hold that true. The difference between Christian faiths are not meaningful to God because it all comes down to that verse and what is in our hearts. |
| November 19th, 2015 at 8:29:08 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Why do you say this? What evidence do you have?
I think and hope that most atheists do weigh the evidence and make a decision, at least the ones I respect. It is painfully obvious you do not. I really think before you make any decision to believe or not believe in something you should weigh the arguments and look into it so you can make an informed decision. I imagine you do this in lots of areas, like who you plan to vote for and when you ask someone to marry you. Why don't you do it when we discuss the existence of God?
I think it is equally fascinating when atheists slowly come to the conclusion there is a God. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| November 19th, 2015 at 8:32:18 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
The biggest abuse was keeping the whole NT out of the hands of ordinary people. Even you average priest running a church in an average town only knew the parts of the NT the Church let him memorize. Wycliffe was constantly amazed at how ignorant the average priest was about scripture. All they knew were the parts the Church wanted them to know. Insidious behavior, to say the least. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |