Hey FrGamble!

Quote: FrGamble

Jesus Christ, true God and true man, comes into the world.
He fulfills the prophets.
He established the new and everlasting covenant in His Blood.
He undergoes suffering and death.
Jesus, in His humanity is perfectly obedient and trusting in God His Father.
God recreates and redeems mankind, promises a new heaven and a new earth, where all will be very good again.

And again, you've masterfully sidestepped
the question I keep asking, and all people
outside the religion ask, where is the huge
sacrifice Jesus/god made that wiped out
all sin. What did your god give up that was
the sacrifice. As I said, it looks like Jesus
was dead for a weekend, then came back
to life a hung out with friends and then
went to heaven. So obvious him dying for
3 days was no sacrifice.

So Jesus is to be revered for all time for
performing a task that any good person
would do, all without actually performing
a sacrifice since he’s not only still alive
but actually immortal. I’m not sure how
this stands up to even the smallest
amount of scrutiny.

Please don't say, oh Bob, I've already told
you what the sacrifice was and you just
ignore it. You have NOT explained any
real sacrifice, nor I doubt can you. Google
it and you'll find more of the same.

Quote: aceofspades

OK - now that we have that straightened out - are other Christians that believe otherwise wrong? If yes, what makes their belief wrong and yours right? If not, how do you resolve your beliefs as a Christian compared to theirs?

I don't think the age of the Earth is a question that should be answered by religion.

Quote: Evenbob

And again, you've masterfully sidestepped
the question I keep asking, and all people
outside the religion ask, where is the huge
sacrifice Jesus/god made that wiped out
all sin. What did your god give up that was
the sacrifice. As I said, it looks like Jesus
was dead for a weekend, then came back
to life a hung out with friends and then
went to heaven. So obvious him dying for
3 days was no sacrifice.

So Jesus is to be revered for all time for
performing a task that any good person
would do, all without actually performing
a sacrifice since he’s not only still alive
but actually immortal. I’m not sure how
this stands up to even the smallest
amount of scrutiny.

Please don't say, oh Bob, I've already told
you what the sacrifice was and you just
ignore it. You have NOT explained any
real sacrifice, nor I doubt can you. Google
it and you'll find more of the same.

Bob I believe you and I will live forever after we die. Yet if either of us willingly underwent torture and death to free us from something I would say it was a huge sacrifice wouldn't you?

Quote: FrGamble

if either of us willingly underwent torture and death to free us from something I would say it was a huge sacrifice wouldn't you?

Being totally mortal, maybe. Being
totally aware that were both god
and man, absolutely not. It's not
possible.

My guess is it doesn't bother you
in the least that you can't explain
the sacrifice. I talked to the former
priest and he said the sacrifice is
tied to the trinity, and the trinity
is by design a mystery that can't
be explained or understood. So
neither can the sacrifice, you just
have to take it on faith there was
one.

Quote: Evenbob

Being totally mortal, maybe. Being
totally aware that were both god
and man, absolutely not. It's not
possible.

My guess is it doesn't bother you
in the least that you can't explain
the sacrifice. I talked to the former
priest and he said the sacrifice is
tied to the trinity, and the trinity
is by design a mystery that can't
be explained or understood. So
neither can the sacrifice, you just
have to take it on faith there was
one.

That might be good advice for you and he is right it is tied very much to the Trinity. I think you still think that Jesus as fully man and fully God knew He was immortal or couldn't die. That is hard to reconcile with the Gospel accounts and the natural knowledge we all have as human beings of death. How or why do you think Jesus knew He couldn't die? Has God ever become fully human before? Is it not worth considering that God as fully human could indeed suffer and die, in which case it would be a sacrifice unimaginable! God willing to die for you. Think about it.

By the way Bob, don't you also believe that we will live forever and come back in another form? Does that mean nobody can ever really sacrifice?

Quote: FrGamble

I don't think the age of the Earth is a question that should be answered by religion.

So you refute young Earth creationism but not creationism itself?

Quote: FrGamble

How or why do you think Jesus knew He couldn't die? .

You and the NT say he was fully
aware he was god. He went around
walking on water, raising the dead,
feeding 5000 people out of almost
nothing, turning water into wine,
casting out evil spirits, filled a boat
with fish, stopped a storm with a
wave of his hand, gave sight back
to blind people, made a deaf man
hear again, etc. There are 34 'miracles'
recorded in the NT.

Jesus/god could do all that yet he
went to the cross totally in the dark
about the future? The only sacrifice
is the 'pig in a poke' sacrifice. A
pig in a poke is where a guy has
a pig in a poke bag and he wants
you to buy it on faith that it's
everything he says it is. Your religion
wants us to buy the sacrifice story
on faith because they can't tell us
what the sacrifice was.

People who buy things like that are
typically known as 'suckers'.

sucker; a gullible or easily deceived person

This is why the religion gets to
people when they're little kids,
because they'll believe anything.
Fully grown adults can still be
fooled, but not nearly as easily.

Quote: FrGamble

By the way Bob, don't you also believe that we will live forever and come back in another form? Does that mean nobody can ever really sacrifice?

What does that have to do
with a god/man myth and
god sacrificing nothing.

Quote: Evenbob

Jesus/god could do all that yet he
went to the cross totally in the dark
about the future?

Do you call having perfect faith and trust in His Heavenly Father totally in the dark? I sure as heck don't!