Hey FrGamble!
July 11th, 2020 at 7:56:49 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
The water to wine trick? He's harsh to her there also. "Woman, what has this to do with me." I would never speak to my mom like this, in a tone like that. Disrespectful. Many think the Church needed a symbol for the all important goddess in the pagan religions and they chose Mary. Makes sense, she is certainly nothing special in the NT. So they made her special to appease the pagans. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 11th, 2020 at 8:10:45 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
The facts are, Paul wrote nothing about what Jesus said and did. Which means he nothing or next to nothing. He knew what everybody knew, Jesus claimed to be the messaih. That was enough to infuriate them.
In the West, Ehrman said. In the East, in China and India he was unknown and still largely is. Buddha and Mohammad are the important ones. In the world as a whole, the Jesus, Buddha and Mohammad stories are equally important. So what, it has nothing to do with their myths being true. Buddha was probably not a real person, and and neither was Mohammad. "Muhammad Sven Kalisch, Germany's first professor of Islamic theology, fasts during the Muslim holy month, doesn't like to shake hands with Muslim women and has spent years studying Islamic scripture. Islam, he says, guides his life. So it came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed." Three myths of men that had a big impact. That's rather the point of myths, isn't it? ... If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 12th, 2020 at 3:21:29 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | So out of your big three most important people in hostory, the Trinity of importance if you will, Jesus is the one you believe existed? Also I'm glad you recognize the importance of religion for humanity. It is unquestioned, but that sometimes doesn't stop you. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
July 12th, 2020 at 9:48:10 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
As a man who died on a cross? Probably. As the man in the Jesus myth? Not so much. Obviously most of the 'facts' about Jesus were made up, just like Buddha and Mohammad. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 13th, 2020 at 11:24:14 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | So this man who died on the cross somehow inspired the great religion of Christianity after His death. These other great religious figures who you don't seem to believe even existed also inspired countless numbers of people. Yet you still don't believe in God. Very strange indeed. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
July 13th, 2020 at 11:36:56 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
What does making up myths have to do with god. I don't see the connection. People make up stories to answer questions they don't have answers to, and that somehow means god exists? That's a stellar jump in logic. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 13th, 2020 at 12:08:01 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Not much. What does proven history have to do with myths?
That would be a lack of logic almost akin to people saying something doesn't exist because they don't have answers, and that somehow means God doesn't exist? That's a stellar jump in logic - and only one of use is attempting to make such a jump (and it isn't me). It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
July 13th, 2020 at 2:56:22 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
There is zero proven history in the NT. There are scholars who doubt Jesus even existed as a real person. 'John E. Remsburg, in his classic book The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence, lists the following writers who lived during the time, or within a century after the time, that Jesus is supposed to have lived: (list of 40 authors I excluded) "In this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ. Nor, we may add, do any of these authors make note of the Disciples or Apostles increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity.' Very odd for the 'most important' person who ever lived.
So you think people making up stories about gods mean they exist? There have been hundreds of gods and thousands of stories about them and you believe none of them are real. Your god is just just one more added to the long list. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 13th, 2020 at 6:37:55 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
So you disagree with Ehrman about this?
Of course not. Do you think people making up stories that God doesn't exist mean they don't
The longing to know God has been hardwired into humanity from the beginning. We know there is God and strove to know God throughout the years. Do you find it interesting that all these thousands of stories about gods seem to have come to a halt since Jesus Christ. Islam of course believes in Jesus and claims that they are the last and correcting teaching coming from the Jews and Christians, so they are not really new. It seems like there is no one new to add to the list. It is a long and complicated list before Jesus Christ and after Christianity replaced paganism the list seems to stop. Very interesting. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
July 13th, 2020 at 8:54:44 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
About what. Ehrman says the same thing, Jesus is never mentioned till he'd been dead for a hundred years. He said Jesus was the most important person in the West. And it's not Jesus himself, it's all the made up stories about him. Just like the made up stories about Buddha and Mohammad effected the East. You have to realize it's not the person in the myth that effects people, it's the story itself. The person in the myth didn't do 95% of what's attributed to him, if he did anything at all.
Only because the Church wiped them out forcibly. It even tried to wipe out Jews and Muslims. Then science intruded and the need for god stories rapidly dried up. As can be seen by the plummeting numbers of people who call themselves religious on all continents. Even your own church is in the throes of crisis with a huge nun and priest shortage making the average age of a priest 70 and a nun 80. Fifty years ago the average priest was 35. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |