Hey FrGamble!

July 11th, 2020 at 7:56:49 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Read the Wedding Feast of Cana


The water to wine trick? He's harsh
to her there also. "Woman, what
has this to do with me." I would never
speak to my mom like this, in a
tone like that. Disrespectful.

Many think the Church needed
a symbol for the all important
goddess in the pagan religions
and they chose Mary. Makes
sense, she is certainly nothing
special in the NT. So they made
her special to appease the pagans.
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July 11th, 2020 at 8:10:45 PM permalink
Evenbob
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By the way do you see know why St. Paul already knew quite a bit about Jesus.


The facts are, Paul wrote nothing
about what Jesus said and did.
Which means he nothing or next
to nothing. He knew what everybody
knew, Jesus claimed to be the messaih.
That was enough to infuriate them.

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Also I'm curious about if you agree with Ehrman that Jesus is the most important person in history?


In the West, Ehrman said. In the East,
in China and India he was unknown
and still largely is. Buddha and
Mohammad are the important
ones. In the world as a whole,
the Jesus, Buddha and Mohammad
stories are equally important. So
what, it has nothing to do with their
myths being true. Buddha was
probably not a real person, and
and neither was Mohammad.

"Muhammad Sven Kalisch, Germany's first professor of Islamic theology, fasts during the Muslim holy month, doesn't like to shake hands with Muslim women and has spent years studying Islamic scripture. Islam, he says, guides his life. So it came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed."

Three myths of men that had a
big impact. That's rather the
point of myths, isn't it?


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July 12th, 2020 at 3:21:29 AM permalink
FrGamble
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So out of your big three most important people in hostory, the Trinity of importance if you will, Jesus is the one you believe existed? Also I'm glad you recognize the importance of religion for humanity. It is unquestioned, but that sometimes doesn't stop you.
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July 12th, 2020 at 9:48:10 AM permalink
Evenbob
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So out of your big three most important people in hostory Jesus is the one you believe existed?


As a man who died on a cross?
Probably. As the man in the Jesus
myth? Not so much. Obviously
most of the 'facts' about Jesus
were made up, just like Buddha
and Mohammad.
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July 13th, 2020 at 11:24:14 AM permalink
FrGamble
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So this man who died on the cross somehow inspired the great religion of Christianity after His death. These other great religious figures who you don't seem to believe even existed also inspired countless numbers of people. Yet you still don't believe in God. Very strange indeed.
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July 13th, 2020 at 11:36:56 AM permalink
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So this man who died on the cross somehow inspired the great religion of Christianity after His death. These other great religious figures who you don't seem to believe even existed also inspired countless numbers of people. Yet you still don't believe in God.


What does making up myths have
to do with god. I don't see the
connection. People make up stories
to answer questions they don't have
answers to, and that somehow means
god exists? That's a stellar jump in
logic.
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July 13th, 2020 at 12:08:01 PM permalink
FrGamble
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What does making up myths have
to do with god.


Not much. What does proven history have to do with myths?


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People make up stories
to answer questions they don't have
answers to, and that somehow means
god exists? That's a stellar jump in
logic.


That would be a lack of logic almost akin to people saying something doesn't exist because they don't have answers, and that somehow means God doesn't exist? That's a stellar jump in logic - and only one of use is attempting to make such a jump (and it isn't me).
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July 13th, 2020 at 2:56:22 PM permalink
Evenbob
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What does proven history have to do with myths?


There is zero proven history in
the NT. There are scholars who
doubt Jesus even existed as a
real person.

'John E. Remsburg, in his classic book The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence, lists the following writers who lived during the time, or within a century after the time, that Jesus is supposed to have lived: (list of 40 authors I excluded)
"In this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ.” Nor, we may add, do any of these authors make note of the Disciples or Apostles – increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity.'

Very odd for the 'most important' person
who ever lived.

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That would be a lack of logic almost akin to people saying something doesn't exist because they don't have answers, and that somehow means God doesn't exist?


So you think people making up
stories about gods mean they
exist? There have been hundreds
of gods and thousands of stories
about them and you believe none
of them are real. Your god is just just
one more added to the long list.
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July 13th, 2020 at 6:37:55 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Very odd for the 'most important' person
who ever lived.


So you disagree with Ehrman about this?



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So you think people making up
stories about gods mean they
exist?


Of course not. Do you think people making up stories that God doesn't exist mean they don't


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There have been hundreds
of gods and thousands of stories
about them and you believe none
of them are real. Your god is just just
one more added to the long list.


The longing to know God has been hardwired into humanity from the beginning. We know there is God and strove to know God throughout the years. Do you find it interesting that all these thousands of stories about gods seem to have come to a halt since Jesus Christ. Islam of course believes in Jesus and claims that they are the last and correcting teaching coming from the Jews and Christians, so they are not really new. It seems like there is no one new to add to the list. It is a long and complicated list before Jesus Christ and after Christianity replaced paganism the list seems to stop. Very interesting.
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July 13th, 2020 at 8:54:44 PM permalink
Evenbob
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So you disagree with Ehrman about this?


About what. Ehrman says the same
thing, Jesus is never mentioned
till he'd been dead for a hundred
years. He said Jesus was the most
important person in the West. And
it's not Jesus himself, it's all the
made up stories about him. Just like
the made up stories about Buddha
and Mohammad effected the East.

You have to realize it's not the person
in the myth that effects people, it's
the story itself. The person in the
myth didn't do 95% of what's
attributed to him, if he did anything
at all.

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Do you find it interesting that all these thousands of stories about gods seem to have come to a halt since Jesus Christ.


Only because the Church wiped
them out forcibly. It even tried
to wipe out Jews and Muslims.
Then science intruded and
the need for god stories rapidly
dried up. As can be seen by the
plummeting numbers of people
who call themselves religious
on all continents. Even your
own church is in the throes of
crisis with a huge nun and priest
shortage making the average
age of a priest 70 and a nun
80. Fifty years ago the average
priest was 35.
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