Uber?

One courier place I worked at years back you were technically "renting your car" to them, not employed yourself. Bottom line is if you force drivers to be full employees they will get paid minimum wage and the cost of a fare would double.

Quote: kenarman

Uber is the complete opposite EB. Uber gets paid directly by the passenger electronically and then has to pay the drivers. Even cabs would be that way sometimes now with so many people paying with cards.

Uber doesn't pay the drivers, Uber transfers
the drivers part of the money paid by the
riders to the driver. It's the same way I did it, only I
didn't need a middleman. Uber takes out
no taxes, no SS, the driver gets all he earns,
he's self employed. I had a luggage
delivery business, and I had three drivers
who worked for me. The airlines paid me and
I gave the drivers their share, I took out no taxes
because they were not my employee's. Just
like Uber. The airlines took out no taxes when they
paid because I was not an employee.

Quote: Evenbob

Uber doesn't pay the drivers, Uber transfers
the drivers part of the money paid by the
riders to the driver. It's the same way I did it, only I
didn't need a middleman. Uber takes out
no taxes, no SS, the driver gets all he earns,
he's self employed. I had a luggage
delivery business, and I had three drivers
who worked for me. The airlines paid me and
I gave the drivers their share, I took out no taxes
because they were not my employee's. Just
like Uber. The airlines took out no taxes when they
paid because I was not an employee.

I am not up on the US laws but from an earlier post they would appear to disagree with your interpretation EB. The Canadian laws mirror the US ones quoted above. I know many people that call their workers subcontractors and don't pay any payroll taxes or take off income tax. If no one complains then it will usually work. What almost always catches them is some worker that never bothers filing his income tax. When the shit hits the fan they invariably claim they thought the employer was paying it. 95% of the time the employer then is found liable for everything including the workers income tax. 1000's of cases in tax law.

Quote: kenarman

I am not up on the US laws but from an earlier post they would appear to disagree with your interpretation EB. The Canadian laws mirror the US ones quoted above. I know many people that call their workers subcontractors and don't pay any payroll taxes or take off income tax. If no one complains then it will usually work. What almost always catches them is some worker that never bothers filing his income tax. When the shit hits the fan they invariably claim they thought the employer was paying it. 95% of the time the employer then is found liable for everything including the workers income tax. 1000's of cases in tax law.

In the U.S. Uber drivers are definitely not employees for two MAJOR reasons. They do not have a schedule or minimum hours dictated by Uber, and they do not have any designated work locations other than staying within state boundaries.

Quote: DRich

In the U.S. Uber drivers are definitely not employees for two MAJOR reasons. They do not have a schedule or minimum hours dictated by Uber, and they do not have any designated work locations other than staying within state boundaries.

The two criteria you mention are not on the IRA's list of criteria. It will probably take a major court case to determine it for sure. One of the major criteria in Canada that I didn't see mentioned in the US rules is how many people you work for. If you only have one employer that is a strong indicator that you aren't a subcontractor in Canada.

Quote: Aussie

This is common sense. Who wants to potentially hop in a car with a complete stranger who could be a convicted criminal?

I assume you mean a convicted criminal who has already served his time? Since you don't want your ex con to be an UBER driver, what job is acceptable for him in your eyes?

Quote: SOOPOO

I assume you mean a convicted criminal who has already served his time? Since you don't want your ex con to be an UBER driver, what job is acceptable for him in your eyes?

We're talking violent offenders in the main who would be rejected. These are people who have proven themselves to be a danger to the public and that's why they will not be allowed to perform jobs like this where they have high direct interaction with the public one on one. If they're parole officer is sitting in the passenger seat then perhaps a different story. Any job not in this sort of category is fine.

I presume you have a different opinion? On the same line of thinking, how would you feel about a convicted paedophile who has already served his time wanting to work in a day care centre?

Most jurisdictions taxi drivers have to be fingerprinted and have an extensive criminal background check. Uber does not fingerprint, only goes back 7 years. So when an Uber driver commits a crime, police and not even sure of his actual identity.

" I presume you have a different opinion? On the same line of thinking, how would you feel about a convicted paedophile who has already served his time wanting to work in a day care centre? "

Ball is in your court SOOPOO. Nothing personal, just awaiting your reply.

Quote: buzzardknot

Most jurisdictions taxi drivers have to be fingerprinted and have an extensive criminal background check. Uber does not fingerprint, only goes back 7 years. So when an Uber driver commits a crime, police and not even sure of his actual identity.

Obviously a different country but I was required to meet the same requirements as anyone else wanting to drive a regular taxi (or indeed any vehicle for commercial transportation of passengers). I had to go to the equivalent of your DMV and apply for a particular licence. As part of that there was a criminal background check. Uber will adher to whatever government regulations they are required to follow so I would suggest that any issues with lack of transparency around who is driving etc is an issue to be solved by government regulators.