Was Jesus God?

Quote: FrGamble

People can trick science all the time.

This isn't science, it's religious quackery.
But it fools the gullible, which is it's
intent.

If god had himself born a man by getting
Marry pregnant with himself, he was a
dead man when he took his first breath.
If he made himself be human so he could
die as a human, what difference does it
make how he died. In the myth, dying
on a cross or getting kicked in the head
by a camel, dead is dead, the sacrifice
was done. The cross seems to be a
bunch of melodrama concocted like
a soap opera to highlight the so called
sacrifice. It has nothing to do with
anything.

Quote: Evenbob

The cross seems to be a
bunch of melodrama concocted like
a soap opera to highlight the so called
sacrifice. It has nothing to do with
anything.

I never got how they worship the crucifix. It seems like the Japanese wearing a little nuke around their neck, or Jews wearing a little gas chamber.

Why idolize the instrument used to kill the man?

Quote: petroglyph

I never got how they worship the crucifix. It seems like the Japanese wearing a little nuke around their neck, or Jews wearing a little gas chamber.

Why idolize the instrument used to kill the man?

Evangelicals like to wear a bare cross that
symbolizes the 'he is risen' part of the
myth. Catholics are forever focused on
the melodrama of the crucifixion. They
never want you to forget how Jesus
suffered for YOU. Nobody has yet to
figure out who the 100,000+ other poor
souls who were crucified suffered for,
the Church never talks about them. If
you ask an average Catholic how many
people were executed in the way Jesus
was, they know nothing on the subject
because it's never discussed.

Quote: petroglyph

I never got how they worship the crucifix. It seems like the Japanese wearing a little nuke around their neck, or Jews wearing a little gas chamber.

It is really weird.

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Why idolize the instrument used to kill the man?

Why idolize suffering and sacrifice?

Jesus' birth ministry and death happened a particular way in order for him to fulfill prophecy. He had to prove who he was. Getting run over by a chariot would not cut it.

Quote: pew

Jesus' birth ministry and death happened a particular way in order for him to fulfill prophecy. He had to prove who he was. Getting run over by a chariot would not cut it.

Look it up, there in no place in the OT
where it says Jesus would be crucified.
There are a dozen unconnected places
where it hints at how the messiah will
die, but tying them all together into
the crucifixion myth is stretching past
the breaking point.

Most of the 'fulfilling of the prophesies'
about the messiah were done long after
Jesus died and were made up stories that
never really happened. All the real evidence
points to Jesus as a local preacher who
never did any miracles, never healed anybody,
wasn't born as a virgin, never said he was the
son of god, and was killed because he was
public nuisance.

Psalm 22:16-18New International Version (NIV)

16
Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[a] my hands and my feet.
17
All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18
They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

Not saying you have to believe. Just answering a "simple question".

Quote: pew

Psalm 22:16-18New International Version (NIV)

16
Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[a] my hands and my feet.
17
All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18
They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

Firstly, David is talking about himself, because
he would say if it was somebody else. There is
no mention of crucifixion. The nail went thru
the wrist, not the hand, which would easily tear
under the weight of the body.

"The placement of the nails in crucifixion was most likely in the wrist, in a place between the wrist bones which is called the "space of Destot". This location would allow the nails to support the weight of an adult man because the ligaments which join the 8 wrist bones (carpal bones) are thicker and stronger than those which connect the bones of the palm (metacarpal bones)."

Also, 'Psalm 22:16 should read, “like a lion, they are at my hands and feet... A majority of Hebrew manuscripts, from the Masoretic text, of Psalm 22 have the “lion” reading."

It's just more grasping at straws that Jesus
was fulfilling prophesy. It didn't and doesn't
convince the Jews, they still think Jesus was
a nobody. They don't believe because Jesus
fulfilled none of the messianic prophecies.
Not one of them.

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