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December 21st, 2014 at 3:48:54 PM permalink

AZDuffman

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Quote: petroglyph
Although as a form of service I highly recommended the Coast Guard. They are involved with saving lives and "homeland security", the other branches are more involved with killing.

Before you suggest anyone join the Coast Guard, you should know there were units in Iraq. An old roommate met some when he was there with the USMC.

There are plenty of examples of mass killing in the last century alone that did not involve Muslims. See Hitler [Christian], Stalin [Jewish] Mao, Pol Pot, etc. They were mass murderers on a grand scale, but you want to continually blame it on Islam.

I am not saying what Hitler, et al are innocents. I am explaining what is the reality in the muslim world and what is in store for the west.

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There is a world of difference between "rockets" and missiles. Israel has occupied 90% of Palestinian territory since '67. What would you do if if Palestinians captured 90% of America and Russia kept rearming them?

Yes, there is a difference. The Plaestinians keep the rockets in residential areas while Israel keeps missiles on military bases. They fire rockets as acts of terror. Israel was invaded from "Palestinian Territory." That is why it is occupied. The Palestineans do not want peace. They want Israel destroyed.

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December 21st, 2014 at 6:36:08 PM permalink

petroglyph

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Before you suggest anyone join the Coast Guard, you should know there were units in Iraq. An old roommate met some when he was there with the USMC.

I was well aware of that. They weren't there in a hostile role either. They were there to save lives. Just like in Kartrina. I have a friend who was master chief on the US ice breaker the "Polar Star" and piloted it twice to camp Murdough at the South Pole. I meant that if someone wanted to fullfill GI service in defense of this country and gain va benefits and learn a valuable skill, all the while collecting 3 hots and a cot, I find the USCG a noble venture.

I have friends that have served in the US Marines as well, and army.

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I am explaining what is the reality in the muslim world and what is in store for the west.

Although these different religions have lived side by each since BCE. Other than the crusades, who attacked who? What do you think was the primary reason why the "Saudi" terrorists attacked us and yet we go to war with Iraq, and Afghanistan? There still has been no investigation into Saudi complicity even though 15 of the 18 hijackers were Saudi.

I'm not ignorant enough to think this will ever be over. Not until the West has lost it's WRC status and it is more obvious to the world we are bankrupt, and when we can no longer finance our military, then when the true owners of the country demand payment, we will all know who we shouldn't criticize.

You mentioned previously that "all wars were revealed" [para] afterwards to be unnecessary. If our industry had not been offshored to Asia, there would not be much of a market for oil other than the US. These wars of empire benefit the finance class, not the worker bees. By exporting our jobs we have placed ourselves in danger from ourselves. We have met the enemy, and it is us.

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December 21st, 2014 at 10:57:44 PM permalink

rxwine

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The Iraqis have learned something that seems like it could be from here -- part madness maybe.

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BAGHDAD — Haider Ali Motar was convicted of terrorism charges about a month ago for helping to carry out a string of Baghdad car bombings on behalf of the Islamic State extremist group. Now, the 21-year old is a reluctant cast member in a popular reality TV show.

"In the Grip of the Law," brings convicted terrorists face-to-face with victims in surreal encounters and celebrates the country's beleaguered security forces. The show, produced by state-run Iraqiyya TV, is among dozens of programs, cartoons and musical public service announcements aimed at shoring up support for the troops after their humiliating defeat last summer at the hands of the Islamic State group, which now controls about a third of the country.

On a chilly, overcast day last week, the crew arrived at the scene of one of the attacks for which Motar was convicted, with a heavily armed escort in eight military pick-up trucks and Humvees. Passing cars clogged the road to watch the drama unfold, but were quickly shooed away by soldiers.

After being pulled from an armored vehicle, a shackled Motar found himself face-to-face with the seething relatives of the victims of the attack. "Give him to me — I'll tear him to pieces," one of the relatives roared from behind a barbed wire barrier.

A cameraman pinned a microphone on Motar's bright yellow prison jumpsuit as he stood alongside a busy Baghdad highway looking bewildered by his surroundings.

"Say something," the cameraman said to him.

"What am I supposed to say?" a visibly panicked Motar asked.

"It's a mic check! Just count: 1,2,3,4..."

Once the cameras were rolling, the show's host Ahmed Hassan quizzed the still-shackled prisoner. When Motar was confronted by one of the victims, a young man in a wheelchair who lost his father in one of the attacks, the convict began weeping, as the cameras rolled.

Iraq has seen near-daily car bombs and other attacks for more than a decade, both before and after the withdrawal of U.S.-led troops at the end of 2011. But the central message of the show, the filming of which began last year, is that the security forces will bring perpetrators to justice.

"We wanted to produce a program that offers clear and conclusive evidence, with the complete story, presented and shown to Iraqi audiences," Hassan told The Associated Press. "Through surveillance videos, we show how the accused parked the car, how he blew it up, how he carries out an assassination."

The episodes often detail the trail of evidence that led security forces to make the arrest. Police allow the camera crew to film the evidence — explosive belts, bomb-making equipment or fingerprints and other DNA samples.

"We show our audiences the pictures, along with hard evidence, to leave no doubts that this person is a criminal and paying for his crimes," Hassan said.

All of the alleged terrorists are shown confessing to their crimes in one-on-one interviews. Hassan said the episodes are only filmed after the men have confessed to a judge, insisting it is "impossible" that any of them are innocent.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/12/22/world/middleeast/ap-ml-iraq-reality-tv.html?_r=0

I think it's fairly easy to predict that all these countries that go through upheaval are probably going to end up as some hybrid of what they were and something else. Unless they get a total autocrat who forces them into a more typical dictatorship.

A country like Kuwait which was only under short occupation are the more unchanging entities. I think that goes for other countries of WW2 which were only occupied for a few years. Basically, the government reverts to what it was. But in these other countries -- some sort hybrid will emerge, eventually, if there is finally stability.

In fact, Russia is a hybrid. I'd call it a "friendenmy" neither quite friend or enemy. Unless Putin goes completely whack.

You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?

December 22nd, 2014 at 3:17:20 AM permalink

AZDuffman

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Quote: petroglyph
I was well aware of that. They weren't there in a hostile role either. They were there to save lives.

They were there to patrol the rivers because all crafts the Navy had were too shallow to use. At home they are used to patrol for dope and other smugglers. Don't think it is all about just saving some idiots who get stuck in a disabled boat. They are military.

The President is a fink.

December 22nd, 2014 at 3:31:16 AM permalink

Fleastiff

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Quote: Ayecarumba
What is America's response...?

During the Iran-Iraq war each country would stampede sheep or goats to clear fields of land mines. Eventually the animals were depleted or became wise enough so each side started using children who were provided with keys (the keys to Heaven) and told to run into the minefields.

Africa recruits 12 year olds into armies and war lord bands.

Americas response.... remember that plaque in southern Cuba: Ne Plus Ultra.

December 22nd, 2014 at 7:10:50 AM permalink

petroglyph

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They were there to patrol the rivers because all crafts the Navy had were too shallow to use. At home they are used to patrol for dope and other smugglers. Don't think it is all about just saving some idiots who get stuck in a disabled boat.

And don't you think all people in disabled boats are idiots. After spending years on Kodiak where the largest CG base is, working with them for years, my kids schooling with their kids, personal friends with them. Drinking with the navy seals, I know them to be the hero's they are. They rescue hunters, fisher's and the just plain lost. Some are stupid yes.

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They are military.

They can be or the can not be, depends. Like I said I have friends on ships that do interdictions, place maritime buoys, fly sar missions, chopper rescues, etc.

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Keep your eyes closed all you like, muslims are not the peaceful "if only those evil Christians would not attack us all would be fine" group you think they are. This is going to get much worse.

You are blowing what you perceive to be my beliefs out of proportion. I think they are human, just like you and me. Above where I asked you what you would do if Palestinians seized 90% of our country and the Russians continued to provide them with weapons what would you do against an overwhelming force? You have picked and chose answers, I guess that is fair? I don't see Christians to be the religion of love they claim to be either. Ours isn't a Christian army.

I wonder which part of the Constitution that your particular political group claims to represent supports foreign wars of aggression? How much war is enough, is it when Halliburton or Bechtel has or Blackwater has all the money they want? Or is our main goal to further the interests of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Mcdonald Douglass etc.?

I also said if they land here, I will fight them myself. I don't know how you can claim in one thread to be a proponent of small government on one hand and want to be the world police continual war mongers on the other. I also say we are creating enemies by our policies, including arming, funding and training radical muslim types who not only go off mission, but once they aren't put to our use still have training, arms and hate and their beliefs that made them such useful tools in the first place.

What would you do in that circumstance if they killed everyone you loved, everyone at a relatives wedding and paraded around your destroyed village with attitude? I'm not making them out to be "peaceniks", I"m saying look at it from their point of view, and put yourself [figuretively] in their place, as just a thought experiment.

It isn't right for you to speak limited government [your branch of the conservative republicans] on the one side and turn around and support multi trillion dollar wars on the other, or am I missing something?

The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW

December 22nd, 2014 at 8:45:52 AM permalink

AZDuffman

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Quote: petroglyph

You are blowing what you perceive to be my beliefs out of proportion. I think they are human, just like you and me. Above where I asked you what you would do if Palestinians seized 90% of our country and the Russians continued to provide them with weapons what would you do against an overwhelming force? You have picked and chose answers, I guess that is fair? I don't see Christians to be the religion of love they claim to be either. Ours isn't a Christian army.

OK, here is my answer then. I would do what I could to eject them, however not by blowing myself up in a cafe. More old-school sabotage. At the same time, if they offered to leave and all I had to do was to recognize their right to exist and not attack them any longer I would do that. Meantime, I would try to improve my life. As well, when they left I would not destroy means of production they left behind just because it was theirs. Palestinians are a touch like the guy who kills his parents then begs for mercy as an orphan.

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What would you do in that circumstance if they killed everyone you loved, everyone at a relatives wedding and paraded around your destroyed village with attitude? I'm not making them out to be "peaceniks", I"m saying look at it from their point of view, and put yourself [figuretively] in their place, as just a thought experiment.

I would be upset, but this is a war they have started and continue. Latest thing is they demand that a school district not have "Christmas Break" here in the USA. My point is it is a wide, cultural war. And I have to say I do not believe islam can live peacefully alongside any other religion. Muslims are currently moving into western nations in large numbers and this is going to cause many problems.

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It isn't right for you to speak limited government [your branch of the conservative republicans] on the one side and turn around and support multi trillion dollar wars on the other, or am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing that I am saying that you are going to have the war whether you like it or not. It will make the riots of the 1960s look like a picnic. It will be a wide struggle and at this point western society is going to lose. Lefties will be in shock as to how muslims treat women, gays, and atheists and ask what went wrong. Some people like me will simply say SITYS!

In other news:

BRING BACK B9!
BRING BACK EB!
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December 22nd, 2014 at 10:23:36 AM permalink

petroglyph

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Palestinians are a touch like the guy who kills his parents then begs for mercy as an orphan.

As far as I know, they are all crazy? I know also there were some aid boats sent the last few years that the Israeli's wouldn't let deliver aid and some were killed. There was also an American senator on board. I find it odd also that the US gives Palestine financial aid as well as Israel?http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html That link is to Israel, but others I have seen estimate hundreds of millions to the Palestinians, some say billions. They are some of the largest receivers of foreign aid in the world. On a side note we also give foreign aid to North Korea, weird.

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Muslims are currently moving into western nations in large numbers and this is going to cause many problems.

We have monster problems with or without Muslims. We had a lot of violent groups before the influx of muslims. Right now we have the triad, the Yakuza, the bloods/crips, ms13, remember the Hells angels? Also the diablos, and a dozen others in Cali. alone. Moving north we had the kkk, and the nazi's as well as the white supremacist in Idaho. We had the OK city bombing, which had nothing to do with muslims. I'm sure there is some Cuban gang in Fla. North of there in the N.E. we had/have the Mafia, and the Cosa Nostra. We got the Columbians, we got the Jamaicans we got gangs and killers and bad guys/gals of every color shape and size. We got rednecks, moonshiners and hillbilly's. We got mormans, we got Irish catholics and on and on. It isn't just the muslims. We could round them all up and ship everyone of them away, and there will be another villain the next day to justify the police state.

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Yes, you are missing that I am saying that you are going to have the war whether you like it or not.

I agree, and you are correct in assuming that I don't like it.

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It will be a wide struggle and at this point western society is going to lose.

Depending on what we think our society was/ is, it has already collapsed. It was well under way in 1914 when we turned the control of our currency over to private business. A mandate of the fed. is 2 percent inflation [which is a complete lie]. At they're own estimate the value of our labor decreases [at 2%] by half every 35 years. Inflation is much closer to 7% which means every dollar me and mine have worked for sitting in a bank at <1% will be worth half of what it is today in 10 years. A popular mantra is save more for your own retirement. All our seniors that played by the rules and worked and payed the taxes and put their money in a savings account are now going back to work. Because it is now legal for the banks to legally steal the value of our labor. What kind of government is that? I think people are mistaken when they consider themselves included in "We the people". When we hear on the msm that the economy is doing great, it is. It is for them "we", not the rest of us "we". Not everyone has the sophistication to be an investment banker. We allowed our government to make us their enemy. We the people who can't afford to buy our own politicians are left to flounder while the media justifies one foreign occupation after another. The war is already here. We are the enemy.
In other news:

BRING BACK B9!
BRING BACK EB!
FREE PETE ROSE!
Bring Back Ahigh and give back Lance Armstrong his medals!

The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW

December 22nd, 2014 at 11:04:25 AM permalink

AZDuffman

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Quote: petroglyph
As far as I know, they are all crazy? I know also there were some aid boats sent the last few years that the Israeli's wouldn't let deliver aid and some were killed. There was also an American senator on board. I find it odd also that the US gives Palestine financial aid as well as Israel?http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html That link is to Israel, but others I have seen estimate hundreds of millions to the Palestinians, some say billions. They are some of the largest receivers of foreign aid in the world. On a side note we also give foreign aid to North Korea, weird.

USA gives all kinds of aid out. Some is so both sides keep the peace. Some is to get them hooked on the USD and banking system. And as I have said here before, the USA does not want N. Korea to fail.

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We have monster problems with or without Muslims. We had a lot of violent groups before the influx of muslims. Right now we have the triad, the Yakuza, the bloods/crips, ms13, remember the Hells angels? Also the diablos, and a dozen others in Cali. alone. Moving north we had the kkk, and the nazi's as well as the white supremacist in Idaho. We had the OK city bombing, which had nothing to do with muslims. I'm sure there is some Cuban gang in Fla. North of there in the N.E. we had/have the Mafia, and the Cosa Nostra. We got the Columbians, we got the Jamaicans we got gangs and killers and bad guys/gals of every color shape and size. We got rednecks, moonshiners and hillbilly's. We got mormans, we got Irish catholics and on and on. It isn't just the muslims. We could round them all up and ship everyone of them away, and there will be another villain the next day to justify the police state.

These are all mostly gangs or lone wolves. They are not cultural struggles. There is a huge difference.

I agree, and you are correct in assuming that I don't like it. Depending on what we think our society was/ is, it has already collapsed. It was well under way in 1914 when we turned the control of our currency over to private business. A mandate of the fed. is 2 percent inflation [which is a complete lie]. At they're own estimate the value of our labor decreases [at 2%] by half every 35 years. Inflation is much closer to 7% which means every dollar me and mine have worked for sitting in a bank at <1% will be worth half of what it is today in 10 years. A popular mantra is save more for your own retirement. All our seniors that played by the rules and worked and payed the taxes and put their money in a savings account are now going back to work. Because it is now legal for the banks to legally steal the value of our labor. What kind of government is that? I think people are mistaken when they consider themselves included in "We the people". When we hear on the msm that the economy is doing great, it is. It is for them "we", not the rest of us "we". Not everyone has the sophistication to be an investment banker. We allowed our government to make us their enemy. We the people who can't afford to buy our own politicians are left to flounder while the media justifies one foreign occupation after another. The war is already here. We are the enemy.

I agree the Fed is a huge problem though the best we have had as to keeping a banking system going. You have to admit it is a great business, create money out of thin air and then force it to be paid back by money earned. However everyone is addicted to inflation by now. How many people buy figuring they will make more next year.

The President is a fink.

December 22nd, 2014 at 11:57:32 AM permalink

petroglyph

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Quote: AZDuffman
You have to admit it is a great business, create money out of thin air and then force it to be paid back by money earned. However everyone is addicted to inflation by now. How many people buy figuring they will make more next year.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/08/the-average-life-expectancy-for-a-fiat-currency-is-27-years-every-30-to-40-years-the-reigning-monetary-system-fails-and-has-to-be-retooled.html

It is a brilliant business model. Those that now create the currency are well aware of the link I put here. We are now overdue. I think sometime in '15 possibly we will get introduced more to the SDR. China and the brics, Russia and India as well as Iran are in on it. The Chinese have already started on a competing world bank backed with AU.

I am often amazed at how they can juggle so many balls in the air at the same time and how few people know what is happening. And how few care. It will affect everyone, seriously.

Cultural or not, I will put our Hell's Angels up against any Muslim group currently in country.

I also think there is a divide between the Sunni and Sharia groups as well as the Saudi Wahhabi. Things will continue to "flow" as long as producers are willing to accept $. That is what is fueling these disagreements now with fewer willing to take dollars at our stated values. The WB and BIS want the $ to float, the fed wants to control assets. IMO Central planning has always failed. It was a great experiment though. Same thing always happens.

The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW

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