Taliban kills 132 children

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December 19th, 2014 at 1:27:36 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Maybe it is a cultural struggle, but it's ultimate hypocrisy to advocate for the wiping out of people based on some sort of Christianity. It's not Christian to kill people. It's disgusting to want to have killed hundreds and thousands of people based on their religion. Regardless of what religion is.
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Trying to establish a Christian mission under such terms would be close to impossible.
It worked pretty well for America
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December 19th, 2014 at 2:32:12 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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It worked pretty well for America


Took a long time.
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December 19th, 2014 at 8:30:28 PM permalink
rxwine
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LAHORE: All the parties sitting in the Punjab Assembly session on Friday joined hands against terrorists, demanding public hangings and suggesting attacks on terrorists in Afghanistan from where they are carrying out terror attacks in Pakistan.


The legislators also urged the federal and provincial governments to announce one-year economic emergency for transferring all development budget to law enforcement agencies to tackle terrorism, stopping funds for the construction of Metro Bus Service and motorway projects in the country.


Pertinent to mention here is that although the House was united against Talibanisation in Pakistan and all of them were on one page to rid the country of terrorism, it was also observed that no one directly use the word ‘Taliban’, and only mentioned them with an alternate word ‘terrorists’.


The Punjab Assembly session on Friday started 57 minutes late from its scheduled time of 3pm under the chair of Speaker Rana Iqbal Khan. Soon after reciting the Holy Quran and Naat, Fateha was offered for the eternal peace of the martyrs of the Army Public School Peshawar.


Later, the speaker suspended the agenda of the day on a motion moved by provincial minister Bilal Yasin and opened the House for speeches on the Peshawar tragedy.


All the legislators in their speeches strongly criticised the media for giving coverage to Taliban representatives and the people who were supporting and declaring them (Taliban) their brothers.


Provincial minister Raja Ashfaq Sarwar while opening the House for debate against the Peshawar massacre said that lawmakers were ashamed on their failure to eliminate terrorism from the country. He confirmed that every child and woman here was in a phase of fear from terrorists but he assured the nation that his government would take avenge the Peshawar martyrs. He said that the terrorists involved in the Peshawar massacre were working against the teachings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).


Another vocal representative of the provincial government in the House, Parliamentary Secretary Rana Arshad, assured the House that all the parties and the nation had now been united against terrorism after the Peshawar incident and they would give capital punishment to all the 7,136 people involved in terrorism, as it was their duty. He also said that the Pakistan Army’s Zarb-e-Azb operation must be succeeded.


Going to kill 7136. Now there's a specific plan.

more here

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/20-Dec-2014/kill-terrorists-even-those-in-afghanistan-punjab-lawmakers
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December 19th, 2014 at 8:36:49 PM permalink
rxwine
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He said that the terrorists involved in the Peshawar massacre were working against the teachings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).


Same God working both sides. Like football helping both teams.
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December 20th, 2014 at 12:36:15 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Maybe it is a cultural struggle, but it's ultimate hypocrisy to advocate for the wiping out of people based on some sort of Christianity. It's not Christian to kill people. It's disgusting to want to have killed hundreds and thousands of people based on their religion. Regardless of what religion is. Trying to establish a Christian mission under such terms would be close to impossible.


Not killing because of their religion, killing because of their actions. But I am glad you think muslims wanting to kill people based on their (non-muslim) religion is disgusting as it is.

Trying to establish a Christian religion would not be impossible at all, it would just take a generation or two and the will to keep it going. At the moment muslims are trying to do the same in the west, they do not seem to have concerns.
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December 20th, 2014 at 1:24:36 PM permalink
petroglyph
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What would be the difference between stoning people to death for not being proper Muslims and burning people at the stake [Salem witches] for not being Christian enough?

Or what about Hindu honour killings? Then there is some remote uncontacted tribe killing for voodoo.

It makes sense when your group is doing the killing. When that close to death all pretense fades away and there is a sometimes unfamiliar moment of very clear reality which changes your thinking forever.

800,000 deaths in 100 days;http://tutsisoftherwandangenocide.blogspot.com/2011/05/rwandan-genocide-did-not-just-happen-by.html
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December 21st, 2014 at 6:26:40 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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What would be the difference between stoning people to death for not being proper Muslims and burning people at the stake [Salem witches] for not being Christian enough?


Are people burning witches today? I really don't see that happening. Lets look at the world today. And today the fact is that Islam is the most violent religion out there across multiple countries. Second fact is said violence is getting worse not better.
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December 21st, 2014 at 11:32:27 AM permalink
petroglyph
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What would be the difference between stoning people to death for not being proper Muslims and burning people at the stake [Salem witches] for not being Christian enough?


Are people burning witches today? I really don't see that happening. Lets look at the world today. And today the fact is that Islam is the most violent religion out there across multiple countries. Second fact is said violence is getting worse not better.


My post was partly responding to yours where you say "If we want the Taliban put down it means we have to be brutal. We need to not just kill every fighter they have, we need to use their guts to grease the treads of our tanks. The ones not killed need to be rounded up and locked up, probably forever. The area needs a de-islaming program with Christian missions set up, like in the old days. To really fix it will take 2 or 3 generations and until every person alive today is dead"

I didn't think you were seriously suggesting killing all the Muslims and making them turn Christian, maybe you were? What, so then they can be peaceful like us?

Sure, plenty of Muslims are violent. Look at who is manipulating them. The US printed the school books used in their Madrassa's, for crying out loud. We armed the Mujahadeen and trained them. We trained and funded OBL. We are still arming and training Muslims in MENA. And the day they decide to use those arms and training because they believe in a different God, all of a sudden you want to point out that they are violent because of their religion.

You also want to put a time line on this thread, not going back to burning bitches, ok. What religion would you say dropped all the bombs on Iraq and Libya? What religion dropped the only atomic bomb on an enemy in history? The one who's name must go unmentioned was thought of as some kind of Christian.

Would you say that whoever is pushing the button that launches the cruise missiles is a religion? If not then would you say they are Godless? What are we [the west] fighting for? We killed well over a million Iraqi's. We are responsible for the Shaw, who's secret police killed and tortured over a million Iranians. We are currently also arming Israel who against the UN rules dropping white phosphorous in kids in Palestinian land. Which religion condones that?

The cruelty and killing isn't just Islam. If you want to blame them for the most killing, you have blinders on. Count the dead, the crippled and the maimed. Does removing the heads of 3 Americans [who apparently weren't using them anyway] somehow justify killing over two million people?
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December 21st, 2014 at 12:02:38 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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I didn't think you were seriously suggesting killing all the Muslims and making them turn Christian, maybe you were? What, so then they can be peaceful like us?


Killing every last muslim? No, not suggesting that. I am suggesting we have no qualms about killing the extremists on the battlefield. Part of why we will not win, however, is the population of the USA wants to do this thing where we say, "well, not all muslims are bad!" We did not say this kind of thing in WWII. We went for unconditional victory. We didn't care if they "hated us." Today we have too many people who want to be liked and will just concede their values to do so.

As to making them turn Christian, I am just looking at reality. Islam has shown that it cannot live peacefully alongside non-muslims. Let the muslim population get to 10% or more of a nation's population and you have the beginnings of major instability. At 40% you are looking at civil war. And at 60% you are openly non-muslim at considerable peril to yourself. No other religion is like this. So yeah, start converting the kids and snuff it out as much as is needed.


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Would you say that whoever is pushing the button that launches the cruise missiles is a religion? If not then would you say they are Godless? What are we [the west] fighting for? We killed well over a million Iraqi's. We are responsible for the Shaw, who's secret police killed and tortured over a million Iranians. We are currently also arming Israel who against the UN rules dropping white phosphorous in kids in Palestinian land. Which religion condones that?

The cruelty and killing isn't just Islam. If you want to blame them for the most killing, you have blinders on. Count the dead, the crippled and the maimed. Does removing the heads of 3 Americans [who apparently weren't using them anyway] somehow justify killing over two million people?


Yes, we backed the Shah because he was our guy an if he fell then the USSR would have taken Iran as another satellite. We trained OBL, we also armed the USSR. Israel would be happy to not drop bombs, all the muslims need to do to stop Israeli bombs is to quit firing rockets into Israel. You are free to say "The cruelty and killing isn't just islam" but islam has decided the west is the enemy.

Geopolitics is a complex and fluid game. No permanent allies, just permanent interests as they say.
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December 21st, 2014 at 2:03:42 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Part of why we will not win, however, is the population of the USA wants to do this thing where we say, "well, not all muslims are bad!"
How can we possibly win when we are fighting and invisible enemy [terrorism] when the goalposts continue to move? Many of us don't even know who "we" are. These conflicts we are mired in historically wouldn't need all the branches of our military. These are covert ops. I think we have two types of government in this country, one mic [that Ike warned us about and Kennedy confirmed] and the so called "opposing" branch, the CIA, which would more describe how Bush #1 or even the current CIC operates.
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We did not say this kind of thing in WWII. We went for unconditional victory. We didn't care if they "hated us."
That loosely describes my beliefs as well. If everybody would just do their job and stay out of everyone else's things would go much smoother. If we have to go to war, then let it be war, flat out get after it. I guess I have to expose what I think about Vietnam. It pisses me off to hear anyone say we lost that "war". When we were carpet bombing Hanoi and poisoning the rice paddies we were wiping them out faster than they could replace them. We dropped more bombs in Vietnam then we did in ww2. We didn't win because we weren't allowed to fight. Nixon wanted to drop a nuke on them. This friggin police action can go on for eternity, without end, and it is always the same people who pay. Re-instate the draft, no exceptions. Either fix this thing or let it be, but don't let it go on forever. Either get living or continue dying. America has lost it's direction.

These libs I here about or the left. Those are what McCarthy would have called communists, or if someone prefers, socialists. Education went down the drain and history repeats. I guess there is more to the Kondratiev cycle than I originally thought.

If an enemy lands on our shore, I will fight them myself. Sacrifice my children for some bankers interest half a world away, I would rather shoot my kid in the leg. Although as a form of service I highly recommended the Coast Guard. They are involved with saving lives and "homeland security", the other branches are more involved with killing. If it need be, then let it be so. All we are doing around the world is creating conflicts, not looking to stop them.
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As to making them turn Christian, I am just looking at reality. Islam has shown that it cannot live peacefully alongside non-muslims. Let the muslim population get to 10% or more of a nation's population and you have the beginnings of major instability.
Look at the Christian churches and Jewish synagogues in Iran and Syria. They have been there and attended for thousands of years, peacefully. When Saddam was dictator of Iraq there were different types of Muslims as well as Christians all with they're own places of worship. Look at India.
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At 40% you are looking at civil war. And at 60% you are openly non-muslim at considerable peril to yourself.
See above. There are plenty of examples of mass killing in the last century alone that did not involve Muslims. See Hitler [Christian], Stalin [Jewish] Mao, Pol Pot, etc. They were mass murderers on a grand scale, but you want to continually blame it on Islam.
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No other religion is like this. So yeah, start converting the kids and snuff it out as much as is needed.
Syrians citizens right now are maintaining synagogues in Syria although there may be as few as 9 jews that haven't moved. They are doing it purely for historical purposes. During this conflict, blocks away from battle. I lost that link but here is one:
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Secrecy_News%3A_Dept_of_State_Delays_Release_of_Iran_History/40187/0/38/38/Y/M.html What we are eliminating in MENA is secular governments that allowed other religion and replacing them with fanatics.

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Would you say that whoever is pushing the button that launches the cruise missiles is a religion? If not then would you say they are Godless? What are we [the west] fighting for? We killed well over a million Iraqi's. We are responsible for the Shaw, who's secret police killed and tortured over a million Iranians. We are currently also arming Israel who against the UN rules dropping white phosphorous in kids in Palestinian land. Which religion condones that?

The cruelty and killing isn't just Islam. If you want to blame them for the most killing, you have blinders on. Count the dead, the crippled and the maimed. Does removing the heads of 3 Americans [who apparently weren't using them anyway] somehow justify killing over two million people?


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Yes, we backed the Shah because he was our guy an if he fell then the USSR would have taken Iran as another satellite.
We installed the Shaw as admitted by our CIA. We did it because [Mossadegh] [Irans democratically elected leader] wanted to nationalize they're oil and use the proceeds for the Iranian people. He wanted to do so against the wishes of British Petroleum, [Aramco]. The Soviets were no more a threat then than they are now. We continue to antagonize them.
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Israel would be happy to not drop bombs, all the muslims need to do to stop Israeli bombs is to quit firing rockets into Israel
There is a world of difference between "rockets" and missiles. Israel has occupied 90% of Palestinian territory since '67. What would you do if if Palestinians captured 90% of America and Russia kept rearming them?
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You are free to say "The cruelty and killing isn't just islam" but islam has decided the west is the enemy.
Who is Islam? Find them and if they are the enemy, blow them to hell. You have my best wishes. That is all they have to fight with, is threats and some suicide bombers. Look at the numbers and put it in perspective. Again, we are responsible for killing over two million of them. Do you want to bomb or go to war with every perceived threat? What about asteroids, or outer space aliens [Reagan].

You and I both know there is a real and present danger, right here in this country. Let alone our border. If we want to secure our liberty need to work closer to home. There isn't enough wealth [capitol] in America to be in every single fight on the planet. We are in mult-trillion dollar conflicts on the opposite side of the globe while social security is collapsing. Who are we trying to "save the world" for exactly?
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