foreign policy

Quote: Evenbob

Other 'races' have not fared so well. If you can call Jewish people a race.

Yes, you could be from that tribe in Zimbabwe where inbreeding makes the two toed congenital defect prevalent in each generation.

The meaning of "race" in English
(c.1500) "group of people with common occupation"
(1520) included "wines with characteristic flavor" ,
(1540s) "generation" .
(1560s) "tribe, nation, or people regarded as of common stock"
(1774) modern meaning of "one of the great divisions of mankind based on physical peculiarities"

So Jewish people as a "race" would be correct with one of the earlier meanings of the word, but as a people that has never exceeded roughly 20 million at their peak, they are certainly not a major division of mankind. They have exerted an unduly strong influence on civilization despite their small numbers.

Quote: Pacomartin

They have exerted an unduly strong influence on civilization despite their small numbers.

Without the contribution of the Jewish
people, we would be hurting for sure.
Science, finance, even Jesus was a Jew.
Look at the list of Nobel Prize winners,
it's top heavy with Jews.

Quote: Evenbob

Without the contribution of the Jewish
people, we would be hurting for sure.
Science, finance, even Jesus was a Jew.
Look at the list of Nobel Prize winners,
it's top heavy with Jews.

Not to mention bringing communism to the world.

Quote: petroglyph

Not to mention bringing communism to the world.

On it's face, communism is a damned good
idea. Human nature prevents it from working,
however. Marx admitted it shortly after the
revolution. The early Pilgrims were commies,
it lasted one year. They almost starved and
switched to capitalism and thrived.

Quote: Evenbob

On it's face, communism is a damned good
idea. Human nature prevents it from working,
however. Marx admitted it shortly after the
revolution. The early Pilgrims were commies,
it lasted one year. They almost starved and
switched to capitalism and thrived.

Ahh, that capitalism thingy again.

When was the US system capitalism? And are you giving the jews the credit for bringing communism/socialism to America?

Quote: petroglyph

When was the US system capitalism? ?

DEFINITION of 'Capitalism'

"A system of economics based on the private ownership of capital and production inputs, and on the production of goods and services for profit. The production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the general market."

You don't think that describes the US?

Quote: Evenbob

DEFINITION of 'Capitalism'

"A system of economics based on the private ownership of capital and production inputs, and on the production of goods and services for profit. The production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the general market."

You don't think that describes the US?

That is at least a partial definition of capitalism.

""A system of economics based on the private ownership of capital" What is it that you think you own? Try not paying taxes on your home and how long before it is taken away from you. We have all heard of "civil forfeiture" of money even suspected of you not being able to prove "if charged" that you came upon it to the laws satisfaction. Other examples upon request. At the whim of our gov. they can take away anything you think you own, your "freedom" or your life, as has been bragged about by our current POTUS.

"The production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the general market." I suppose what is being referred to is the stock market, as I find no reference for the general market? The market is supposed to be a measuring device to tell us the true value of goods. Look up PPT, or the plunge protection team. The federal reserve which prints money out of thin air is openly admitting they are manipulating the stock market. So real capitalists have to compete for capitol in the stock market with an entity that creates money out of thin air. This is the antithesis of capitalism.

The largest good by value created in the US is financial products. Fraudulent security's, sold round the world, created by the very tbtf banks that own the federal reserve. Propped up from collapse by the "full faith and credit" of the american people. These very same banks who finance the elections in this country regardless of which of the "parties" win. Does that really sound like a capitalistic system to you?

The "capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them" Lenin [also Jewish], we are hung Bob, while the bankers are buying the Riviera with money extracted from the fruit of our labor.

So, my answer is no, America is not operating under capitalism, I think Fascism is more accurate if it has to be in ism. Throw in some socialism, and crony capitalism where the bankers get first use of freshly created fiat money and voila, that is what we have for an economic system.

And this: When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed. – Ayn Rand; Atlas Shrugged, 1957

As we know of course Rand finished her life collecting Social Security. Did you know she and Alan Greenspan aka, the maestro were friends and I believe once dated? Greenspan when head of the fed. did an about face on his stance on gold, it seems now he has flopped back. Who says you can't buy integrity?

Quote: petroglyph

So, my answer is no, America is not operating under capitalism, I think Fascism is more accurate .

You obviously have no idea what you're
talking about. I don't time for the tinfoil
hat crowd..

Quote: Evenbob

You obviously have no idea what you're
talking about. I don't time for the tinfoil
hat crowd..

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it any less correct.

Full Definition of FASCISM

1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

This is Mirriam Webster. No hat, no foil,

Mussolini's description of fascism was just corporate partnership with government. That is what I see as well, with Wall Street funding the red/blue paradigm. Sorry if that offends you. I love my country Bob right or wrong, and my government when they deserve it. I won't lay down and pretend they are acting under their constitutional authority, they aren't and haven't been for quite a while.

I don't like it either. But your definition of Capitalism surely doesn't describe what's going on. You don't try to defend it. You don't try to dispute my argument other than to go this lame direction. Quit bringing up this capitalism stuff Bob, its not the first time. I wish it were so. It may have been once. This here is what I don't like about the current system.

One of the most important caveats of Capitalism is bad ideas or investments are allowed to fail. That is the mechanism that lets good ideas flourish. All of these big banks are protected as "significantly important global institutions". If these global behemoths had been allowed to fail after '08 the economy would maybe have recovered.