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Confessional
| December 3rd, 2019 at 3:27:19 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Spoken like a person who has never ministered in a prison and someone out of touch with reality. Let's not argue about this though. My contention is that people are generally filled with guilt and instead of seeking forgiveness they repress it and take it out on themselves or others. The general sense of unhappiness people feel is the lack of knowing how loved and good they are. Their sins lie to them and they feel their mistakes define them. They feel true sorrow for their mistakes but they don't think they can be forgiven. That is just my two cents. Oh by the way, you are right, priests do judge in confession and the judgement is always love, mercy, compassion, and forgiveness. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| December 3rd, 2019 at 4:28:32 PM permalink | |
| SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4171 |
Thanks for your honest answer. So what is told in the 'confessional' is not guaranteed not to be divulged to others. Only what the priest, in his sole determination, determines to be part of the confession is protected. I'd bet the confessors have a different expectation...... |
| December 3rd, 2019 at 4:32:45 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Not my experience. People love to dwell in the land of denial and excuses and placing blame on everybody and anything but themselves. They aren't eaten with guilt because they've done nothing they need to say they're sorry for.
UhHuh. The majority of priests I've met in person are on the majorly arrogant side. You and I have discussed this before and you even partially agreed with me. You can feel the judgement and arrogance coming off them in waves. You want me to believe all that magically disappears in the confessional? Wishful thinking on your part. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| December 3rd, 2019 at 6:00:52 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
No, everything said in the confessional is guaranteed not to be divulged to others in any way. However, what you are planning to do is not part of any confession. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| December 3rd, 2019 at 7:07:53 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
So if they confess to planning a murder, how is that not part of the confession? Do priests make it clear that they will contact police if they hear such a plan in confession? The whole thing sounds fishy and duplicitous. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| December 3rd, 2019 at 7:25:27 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | It is not really that complicated. If you are planning a murder and not sorry about it why would you go to confession? If you are sorry about it then you are not planning on doing it. The bottom line is that sins you've committed that you are sorry for are forgiven and the seal is absolute. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| December 3rd, 2019 at 7:45:29 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
There was an episode of Law & Order where this was the central point. The priest did not alert the authorities and stood by his decision in court. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
| December 3rd, 2019 at 8:32:24 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
What???? None of that is true. If you're planning on doing it, you would go to confession to relieve some of the obvious guilt. And people do murder others out of what they feel is necessity, so of course they feel sorry before they do it. Look at women who kill abusive husbands to protect themselves and the kids. They're sorry as hell and do it anyway. What you say here is convoluted beyond belief. None of it applies to real life and real situations. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| December 3rd, 2019 at 9:39:43 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Bob, you don't go to confession for your future sins. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| December 4th, 2019 at 12:50:51 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
So when somebody confesses they want to molest a child, you just tell them to come back after they've done it because it doesn't count yet? Really? If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |