Confessional

How about $50 this year and $25 the next. that's a steep discount.

Would you do the same at the $75 level for Vatican's efforts to help refugees?

Quote: FrGamble

Logic, even without the Big Bang, will also get us to the fact that the universe and all contingent non necessary things need a cause.

Logic can get you any result you like, so in
science it's meaningless without something
to back it up.

Quote: FrGamble

Would you do the same at the $75 level for Vatican's efforts to help refugees?

I wouldn't spit on the pope if he was on fire.

I have donated money to refugee relief funds I trust not to misuse it.

Quote: Evenbob

Logic can get you any result you like, so in
science it's meaningless without something
to back it up.

Logic will only get you to the truth. In the physical sciences you are basing things on repeatable and testable observations. Logic is what arrives at conclusions. In fact the scientific method itself is pure logic.

Quote: FrGamble

Logic will only get you to the truth.

Go back three spaces and think for a while.

Logic is a tool. It won't get you the right answers, much less "the truth," if your premises are faulty or wrong.

Nareed,
A while back you misunderstood something I said and took great offense. You broke off communications and stopped debating me and said, "Stay out of my life forever." I do not think I am misunderstanding anything you are saying and you are being unreasonable, offensive, and mean. I feel it is futile to continue to engage you in any type of debate. It seems like it only infuriates you and you apparently are not even really listening to what I am saying or open to hearing any of it. I think it is very sad that we can no longer carry on these conversations. I very much enjoyed our interactions, but I think the time has come for me to say: please stay out of my life forever - or at least until you able and willing to engage in civilized conversations about these matters we both are passionate about.
Peace.

Quote: FrGamble

Would you do the same at the $75 level for Vatican's efforts to help refugees?

With all lthose high level suicides and murders in the Vatican ssomeone must be diverting those refugee funds.

Quote: FrGamble

I do not think I am misunderstanding anything you are saying and you are being unreasonable, offensive, and mean.

Did you forget I said we're at war? Did you doubt I was serious?

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I think the time has come for me to say: please stay out of my life forever

Victory is built on the ashes of the enemy.

Quote: FrGamble

Logic will only get you to the truth.

No, it won't. Where did you even get that from.

What Is Logical Isn’t Always True

"In logic, an argument can be invalid even if its conclusion is true, and an argument can be valid even if its conclusion is false. It’s a confusing concept, and people are easily fooled when an argument’s validity and believability don’t match up, especially in the case of invalid arguments with conclusions that are believable. Psychological scientists call this phenomenon belief bias.

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/obsonline/what-is-logical-is-not-always-true.html

To make a long story short, unless you already
believe in god, logic alone is never going to
get you to believe. The argument is just too full
of holes.