Confessional

Quote: Dalex64

About evidence:

All there are is philosophical arguments which form a hypothesis, with no testable evidence to back it up.

There is scientific evidence that seems to point towards confirmation of the universe having a beginning.

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None of that "evidence" can be positively attributed to what they claim to be the cause.

You are again confusing evidence with "proof".

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There is no way to prove that much of what is put forth as evidence acually happened.

There you go again, see above.

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The rest of it is purely subjective and again there is no way to prove the cause of these subjective experiences and beliefs.

Sure there is. Are the people trustworthy, consistent, of sane mind? Does the same experience occur over different time periods, cultures, places, and people?

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So no, the evidence isn't ignored, it is dismissed as irrelevant, inconsistent, contradictory, unconfirmable, and unattributable.

Incorrectly so.

Quote: Evenbob

Then explain why he tells so many of
his believers contradictory things.
Why are his followers all over the map
with what he's told them. They all
claim Jesus is talking to them, all
2500 offshoots of the Christian
church. To an outsider it looks like
sheer lunacy. A bunch of self deceived
starved for attention mentally unstable
kooks.

This post is so incredibly poignant to my experience today, it continues to support my belief in quantum theories. I was stuck in a recliner today for 6 hours receiving a treatment. Thank god there were two rooms and I was not face to face with the 3-4 next to me discussing xtianity. Maybe someone can imagine the paradigm where the man acts like he knows more about bible facts then the she in the discussion. On and on they went, back and forth about drivel and faux facts, about a fable that with all 'their' knowledge also weren't informed that the story was a parable. I would have thought that some organization that purports to pride itself on honesty, would be a little more forthcoming about that. Kind of like, "yeah we knew it was bs, but thought the story might help you understand our pov".

These people were absolutely rude, and they didn't realize it [it's their right you know], and they surely didn't care. Not one courteous consideration, not one *** ounce. One of them must have been right and the others wrong and they would not quit arguing chapter and verse. Not for one second did they give a crap about the other sick people trying to receive treatment in peace. I did bring some headphones and tunes, but I couldn't drown them out, even though they were in an attached room. Some relief from the music, but during breaks in between songs, I could here the excruciating chatter from "the Xtians".

After a while I had to summon the tech and ask how much longer would they be in the facility. She shook her head understandingly and said, they are almost done. I switched to ear muffs hoping to drown them out enough, that I wouldn't have to listen. It was a little better. When they got up to leave [thank god], the guy glances in my room, and notices I have ear phones on. Prolly didn't occur to him why. Inconsiderate bastards. Nearly made me ill er.

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You'd think an all powerful god
could get this one thing right: Consistency
of message.

It should be a law for them to combine their faiths. After two thousand years and they are all thinking each time that they are the special understanders of "the message". It is gnawing to have to overhear each of them arguing each of their irrelevant points about a book that turns out to be a fairy tale.

Quote: Dalex64

This goes back a few replies, but clearly it says that a terminally ill person can kill themselves and go to heaven as long as they were not of sound mind when they took their own life.

That would lead me to believe, that anyone killing themselves, couldn't possibly in their right mind, so they get a pass.

A person deciding when to end their own suffering deserves the respect, that they made a really tough choice, instead of leaving it up to their family and the medical industry to decide for them.

How can it be morally superior, to continue someones suffering and then juice them with enough morphine to cause them to die because the opiates made it to difficult to breathe, versus letting the dying person pick their own time and method?

Control freaks.

Quote: FrGamble

For the majority of time that Christianity has existed there has been only one Church. The Reformation is why there are so many other beliefs.

Means nothing. They were the one church
because all the others were put out of business by
force, that's a historical fact. That other
churches would come was inevitable. At one
time Standard Oil produced 95% of the
worlds kerosene, they were a monopoly.
Does that mean they were the best? They
got there the same way the Church became
a monopoly, by stomping out the competition.

If your argument is your church is the right one
because it was first, no wonder it's failing so
badly. Hubris and arrogance never out in the end.

Quote: FrGamble

There are better explanations to what Evenbob points out then reincarnation.

Like what.

Quote: Evenbob

Hubris and arrogance never out in the end.

This is the only thing I agree with in your post.

Quote: FrGamble

This is the only thing I agree with in your post.

You don't believe your Church had a monopoly
because it forcibly got rid of all other religions?
Hell, it tried to get rid of Protestants in the The
Religious Wars, particularly the Thirty Years War,
which bankrupted half of Europe. You Jesus
people should learn to get along.

OK, another thread to close, Fr G and EB going at it with 2000 posts a day

Quote: odiousgambit

OK, another thread to close, Fr G and EB going at it with 2000 posts a day

But is there proof of 2000 posts a day or merely evidence of it? Is your belief in 2000, affecting that number? Is 2000 a coincidence or is it prove of events that took place about that number of years ago? Does 2000 have a reference in the Bible? Should other estimates be tolerated? Or must we accept the literal content of your post? Have you tried to tax to death or put to death people in the past who disagreed with that number?

put to death ... at least I have visions LOL