Confessional

Quote: FrGamble

It is not about rules, never was, never will be. There is a disclaimer on every rule - "God is love."

Then you could rape a woman every day, murder as many people as you liked, steal whatever you wanted, snort cocaine in between all this criminal activity, and yet love "God," so you'd be ok with him and be allowed into heaven?

You know, given the character of Jehovah as portrayed in the Bible, this actually makes sense.

Quote: Nareed

Then you could rape a woman every day, murder as many people as you liked, steal whatever you wanted, snort cocaine in between all this criminal activity, and yet love "God," so you'd be ok with him and be allowed into heaven?

You know, given the character of Jehovah as portrayed in the Bible, this actually makes sense.

If one loves God or maybe more importantly knows of God's love for him or her then none of what you said above makes sense. God's love truly felt is not a license to do whatever you want, but the motivation we all need to be the best version of yourself. If you understand this than YHWH as portrayed in the Bible does make sense. A God who over and over again establishes covenants with His people who when they break them continues to forgive. Finally, He Himself fulfills the covenant and eternally frees us from the law and its guilt.

Do you really think that if someone is shown love and forgiveness they will just take advantage of that kindness and do all kinds of evil? What kind of idea or conception do you have of mankind? Do you think that the only thing holding us back from raping, murdering, and doing drugs is the fear of hell?

Quote: FrGamble

If one loves God or maybe more importantly knows of God's love for him or her then none of what you said above makes sense.

Wait, are we talking about the same god who kills and murders innocent civilians, including children, in all his greatest hits (like the Exodus and the Flood)? Or si there some other god in the Bible we haven't heard from?

And don't forget he raped his own mother, too, to impregnate her with himself (yuck)

A murdering rapist, then, is godlike.

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Do you really think that if someone is shown love and forgiveness they will just take advantage of that kindness and do all kinds of evil?

If the god enjoys the wanton killing spree, then how can that possibly be evil?

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What kind of idea or conception do you have of mankind?

One that you've said you admire.

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Do you think that the only thing holding us back from raping, murdering, and doing drugs is the fear of hell?

Of course not. I'm not a Christian (and thank Thoth for that!)

Quote: Evenbob

This is what it says.

"Objectively, suicide is a mortal sin. Here we must remember that for a sin to be mortal and cost someone salvation, the objective action (in this case the taking of one's own life) must be a grave or serious matter; the person must have an informed intellect (know that this is wrong); and the person must give full consent of the will." Catholic Education Resource Center

You tell me to read the Church view
on suicide, so I do and post it above,
and you have no comment. If you
know it's wrong and are Catholic
and do it anyway, off to hell you go.

Quote: Nareed

If the god enjoys the wanton killing spree, then how can that possibly be evil?

If you call liberating an enslaved and tortured people a killing spree I can only imagine what awful things you must think of the allied armies.

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Of course not. I'm not a Christian (and thank Thoth for that!)

Then why do you think a loving God who always forgives would lead to such evil actions?

Quote: Evenbob

Quote: Evenbob

This is what it says.

"Objectively, suicide is a mortal sin. Here we must remember that for a sin to be mortal and cost someone salvation, the objective action (in this case the taking of one's own life) must be a grave or serious matter; the person must have an informed intellect (know that this is wrong); and the person must give full consent of the will." Catholic Education Resource Center

You tell me to read the Church view
on suicide, so I do and post it above,
and you have no comment. If you
know it's wrong and are Catholic
and do it anyway, off to hell you go.

This isn't even what your quote says! You still have to give full consent of the will, which in regards to the mental illness that often leads to suicide is not the case. That's why I asked you to read the Catechism, that's the official teaching of the Church. Even after Dalex quoted part of it showing you are wrong you still don't get it.

So there is no way somebody who willfully
commits suicide, who knows it's wrong, can
lose their salvation, whatever that is. That's
what you're saying?

Quote: FrGamble

If you call liberating an enslaved and tortured people a killing spree I can only imagine what awful things you must think of the allied armies.

The allied armies were made up of men and women who, astonishingly, possessed the normal limitations of men and women. Jehovah brags he has no limitations. The allies did the best they could with the information and tools they had. Jehovah knows all and is all-powerful. Therefore Jehovah is a psychopath who enjoys killing people (seeing as he does it so often)

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Then why do you think a loving God who always forgives would lead to such evil actions?

Because his Christian disciples have done him proud killing and torturing innocent people for not toeing the Christian line.


Mention of "atheist" atrocities in 3....2....1....

BTW, here's the extent of physical and documentary evidence that supports the Biblical account of the Exodus, even remotely:

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It looks remarkably like the evidence that supports the existence of any type of god. Coincidence?

Quote: Nareed

BTW, here's the extent of physical and documentary evidence that supports the Biblical account of the Exodus, even remotely:
It looks remarkably like the evidence that supports the existence of any type of god. Coincidence?

Even the Jews are saying the exodus is a myth. An odd
thing happened at the end of the 19th century, we
finally started looking for actual evidence that the
things in the Bible really happened.

Uh Oh..