Gun Control

Quote: rxwine

It's already being done in some states. It's part of gun licensing requirement. There are local agencies which have different records than what is in the FBI database. A local alcohol drug rehab center can have recent incidence of someone who has violent behavior as well as a drug problem who perhaps they had to call the police and report it. There doesn't need to explicit description to the person doing the check. A local court can have a record someone violating a restraining order that the FBI won't have. A school may have a record with constant discipline problems of one student that required an incident report. You don't need deep psychological evaluations. It's no more than recording incidents of threats of violence. You no more need an evaluation to keep citing someone with reported traffic violtions. You just record it.

Do you have an example of such a State? I am not doubting you, I am genuinely curious (I have never lived in one).

But, even if a (or several) State(s) gets it down 100% perfect it gets back to my above issue, its irrelevant, can't buy a gun? Ok road trip for two hours to a state where I can walk into a pawnshop and walk out with a gun, not an issue.... And, same with records, if they are only compiled (and available) in one specific jurisdiction, it hardly matters.

The problem with America is it is a land of 50 states (and quite a few territories) with vastly different standards when something is not regulated federally....

Violent video games is worldwide
Violent movies are viewed worldwide
Bullying goes on worldwide
Broken homes happen worldwide
But
After school shootings, the USA differs from the world in this respect

https://news.yahoo.com/states-rush-to-expand-gun-rights-despite-calls-for-stricter-laws-162304769.html

Quote: Gandler

Do you have an example of such a State? I am not doubting you, I am genuinely curious (I have never lived in one).

But, even if a (or several) State(s) gets it down 100% perfect it gets back to my above issue, its irrelevant, can't buy a gun? Ok road trip for two hours to a state where I can walk into a pawnshop and walk out with a gun, not an issue.... And, same with records, if they are only compiled (and available) in one specific jurisdiction, it hardly matters.

The problem with America is it is a land of 50 states (and quite a few territories) with vastly different standards when something is not regulated federally....

Illinois -- You'll note that this is state where Chicago is. And the issue is of course guns being purchased elsewhere. But that's a good reason to argue for a similar Federal background requirement.

Also, the discussion I have heard is getting more agencies involve by advocates.

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Upon receiving an application, DSP conducts an automated search of its criminal history record information files and those of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, including the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (“NICS”), and of the files of the state Department of Human Services relating to mental health and developmental disabilities to obtain any felony conviction or patient hospitalization information which would disqualify a person from obtaining or maintaining a FOID card.43

Quote: rxwine

Illinois -- You'll note that this is state where Chicago is. And the issue is of course guns being purchased elsewhere. But that's a good reason to argue for a similar Federal background requirement.

Also, the discussion I have heard is getting more agencies involve by advocates.

But, I would argue that is a prime example for my point Illinois (which I don't know their system, but I'll take your word for it as far as your description) is in the Midwest and surrounded by 5-6 rural states, and relatively small (geographically), and its surrounded by States which almost surely (don't even have to look them up, we just know based on their politics) -at least some- States with virtually no restrictions.... Again the two hour road trip scenario in virtually any direction.....

Which seems like we are in agreement that unless there is a federal standard, its irrelevant.... Illinois may truly be perfection as far as state/local policy (again I'll take your word for it), but as long as it is surrounded by 6 (mostly) red states, the market will be flooded with easy guns. The same issue exists with weed now, and a bunch of other items that are regulated very differently state to state. Its a more broad problem with inconsistent standards.

I was shocked to read that there have been 18 mass shootings since Uvalde. Wow!

Quote: Gandler

But, even if a (or several) State(s) gets it down 100% perfect it gets back to my above issue, its irrelevant, can't buy a gun? Ok road trip for two hours to a state where I can walk into a pawnshop and walk out with a gun, not an issue....

I am not familiar with a state that allows a non-resident to walk into a pawn shop & buy a gun without a NICS background check.
I believe you think the above statement is true, I just haven't seen where it is legal.
What states is the above legally allowed under existing gun laws?

A simple Google search produced this What You Should Know Purchasing a Gun from a Pawn Shop

The issue really is straw purchase transactions for which there are already laws on the books.
Straw purchases followed by Private Party sales are the problem.
But the data is available to find out who these straw purchases are, so make that the focal point of enforcement.
I would also vote for requiring private sales to go through an FFL/NICS background check.
You'll get widespread voter support for that even amongst moderate gun owners.

Quote: JCW09

I am not familiar with a state that allows a non-resident to walk into a pawn shop & buy a gun without a NICS background check.
I believe you think the above statement is true, I just haven't seen where it is legal.
What states is the above legally allowed under existing gun laws?

A simple Google search produced this What You Should Know Purchasing a Gun from a Pawn Shop

The issue really is straw purchase transactions for which there are already laws on the books.
Straw purchases followed by Private Party sales are the problem.
But the data is available to find out who these straw purchases are, so make that the focal point of enforcement.
I would also vote for requiring private sales to go through an FFL/NICS background check.
You'll get widespread voter support for that even amongst moderate gun owners.

That is not what I said, the standard background check is required everywhere. Anyone who is not a career criminal can probably pass this check instantly.....

What I was referencing was his point of States locally requiring more including reference and personality checks. If a State has a great system, which screens out vast numbers of people, great, but also irrelevant, because there are 49 other states and several territories....

There needs to be a Federal Licensing Standard.

Biden was Vice President for Sandy Hook and now President for Uvalde. Coincidence?

Quote: rquiredusername

Biden was Vice President for Sandy Hook and now President for Uvalde. Coincidence?

Yup

Quote: Gandler

There needs to be a Federal Licensing Standard.

I am actually not looking to prove you wrong, just trying to understand what you are proposing.
This Federal Licensing Standard, does it go beyond passing a NICS background check?
I think Dems will get bi-partisan support for universal background checks through NICS.
On all transactions which basically means force private sales thru an FFL, this is the law in some states already.
The FIx NIcs Act of 2017 was signed into law under Trump, force municipalities to report or face loss of federal money.
But Dems don't have the votes to ban semi-automatic rifles, they might get age raised to 21.
SCOTUS is going to rule that CA's magazine restrictions are un-Constitutional this summer, so that issue is a loser.
Get the Universal Background checks and raise the long gun age to 21 and then "take the win"!
Do you think Dems are smart enough to get that done?