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October 30th, 2018 at 3:23:26 PM permalink

fleaswatter

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Hmmm, a democratic senator, Harry Reid, wanted to the same thing in 1993 that President Trump is proposing to do now.

Harry Reid: It’s Insane To Reward Illegal Immigrants By Giving Their Children Birthright Citizenship

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/30/harry-reid-insane-reward-illegal-immigrants-giving-children-birthright-citizenship/

Reids' proposed legislation:

Quote:
TITLE X—CITIZENSHIP 4 SEC. 1001. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED. In the exercise of its powers under section of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.

Let's go Brandon

October 30th, 2018 at 3:30:40 PM permalink

Dalex64

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Quote: rxwine
Doubtful. And it would create a terrible mess. And it probably won't hold up anyway.

Imagine if they tried to make it retroactive, and ended up with something recursive.

Let's say someone is an American citizen because both of their parents were American citizens.

All of that person's grandparents, though, were legal immigrants - and permanent resident aliens - who never received us citizenship - the American parents of these hypothetical grandparents would have been given their citizenship because they were born here.

Since their citizenship will now be retroactively revoked, this hypothetical person is no longer the child of us citizens, and therefore is not eligible to be a us citizen either.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

October 30th, 2018 at 3:39:12 PM permalink

Dalex64

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Regarding Reed's proposal
" a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident"

Is that Trump's proposal? AZDuffman has already said he is against the children of lawful permanent residents being granted citizenship by being born in the US. Trump hasn't actually written or signed any order yet - will it look like that?

So is that an apples to apples comparison? I don't think so.

The other issue is whether or not the president had the power to make such a determination, and effectively pass such a "law" via an executive order. If he is making a law, or interpreting the Constitution, then he is infringing upon the powers of the other branches of government.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

October 30th, 2018 at 3:49:11 PM permalink

Evenbob

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Hillary said this today in an interview. If
it had been Trump, he would be finished.
But Hillary, it's not even being reported.

SWISHER: What do you think about him saying, “Kick them in the shins,” essentially. Start to get to that kind of political —

HILLARY: That was Eric Holder.

SWISHER: Eric…? Oh, Eric Holder. Yeah.

HILLARY: I know they all look alike.

SWISHER: No, they don’t.

Can you imagine the wall to wall screaming
on CNN and MS if this were Trump or Cruz
or McConnell?

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

October 30th, 2018 at 4:05:04 PM permalink

rxwine

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Evenbob
Hillary said this today in an interview. If
it had been Trump, he would be finished.
But Hillary, it's not even being reported.

Yeah, I can see how that can confuse racists who can't parse some sarcasm in language and think Hillary wouldn't know better. She does.

But who knows, maybe some kooks will be able to make something of it.

You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?

October 30th, 2018 at 4:06:50 PM permalink

fleaswatter

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Evenbob
Hillary said this today in an interview. If
it had been Trump, he would be finished.
But Hillary, it's not even being reported.

SWISHER: What do you think about him saying, “Kick them in the shins,” essentially. Start to get to that kind of political —

HILLARY: That was Eric Holder.

SWISHER: Eric…? Oh, Eric Holder. Yeah.

HILLARY: I know they all look alike.

SWISHER: No, they don’t.

Can you imagine the wall to wall screaming
on CNN and MS if this were Trump or Cruz
or McConnell?

We know that the same standards do not apply to both democrats and republicans. Look at all the crap that Ron DeSantis got from the MSM when he said "monkey this up"

Let's go Brandon

October 30th, 2018 at 4:07:07 PM permalink
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October 30th, 2018 at 4:15:54 PM permalink
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18756	Man in Antarctica charged with attempted murder for stabbing other man for revealing the endings of books he was reading. Ain't a lot to do down there . I might find him not guilty by reason of being sufficiently mentally assaulted by an obvious asshole. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?

October 30th, 2018 at 4:37:52 PM permalink

Pacomartin

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Quote: fleaswatter
Harry Reid: It’s Insane To Reward Illegal Immigrants By Giving Their Children Birthright Citizenship

The Supreme Court has interpreted section #1 of the Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution (adopted on July 9, 1868) to mean that children born on the land are citizens regardless of their parent's status.

No senator, Democratic or Republican, can propose a law to change that rule. A constitutional amendment must be proposed to change 14th amendment.

Quote: 14th amendment

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

There is a group of people that say the SCOTUS and misinterpreted the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" for the last century. But as a legal argument that is nearly impossible to win.

October 30th, 2018 at 4:52:58 PM permalink
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011	Quote: rxwine Yeah, I can see how that can confuse racists who can't parse some sarcasm in language . No no no no, there is no sarcasm anymore. Every word out of a politicians mouth is taken literally now. What Hillary said will haunt her if she ever runs for anything. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

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