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Quote: kenarman

. I am sure I have a much wider range of facts, information and opinions than you do. Better data leads to better outcomes.

BS
"I am sure" don't mean jack
It's the definition of bias
Translation
Your info is just as biased and edited as my info
Prove me wrong. What's your unbiased unedited news source??????????????????????
All news is biased and edited, even the news you consume

Quote: ams288

Says the guy who posted a bogus study saying wearing masks led to more Covid deaths. 😂

That shows how much attention you paid to my post. I quoted 2 studies one from the US and the other done across multiple countries in Europe. Both peer reviewed and from legitimate medical journals. Just because they don't back-up what you were led to believe doesn't mean they are bogus.

Quote: kenarman

That shows how much attention you paid to my post. I quoted 2 studies one from the US and the other done across multiple countries in Europe. Both peer reviewed and from legitimate medical journals. Just because they don't back-up what you were led to believe doesn't mean they are bogus.

“Peer reviewed” doesn’t mean anything if the peers are as dumb as the writer.

Quote: ams288

“Peer reviewed” doesn’t mean anything if the peers are as dumb as the writer.

Probably true that is why the majority of things coming out of the Universities aren't worth the electrons they are printed with. Read the study and critique it if you want instead of throwing around your opinion as fact.

Quote: kenarman

Probably true that is why the majority of things coming out of the Universities aren't worth the electrons they are printed with. Read the study and critique it if you want instead of throwing around your opinion as fact.

I’ll pass.

I don’t need to read a peer-reviewed study to know the earth isn’t flat. You do, apparently.

Quote: ams288

I’ll pass.

I don’t need to read a peer-reviewed study to know the earth isn’t flat. You do, apparently.

"There are none so blind as those that will not see." John Heywood 1546

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Quote: kenarman

"There are none so blind as those that will not see." John Heywood 1546

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Quote: ams288

More reading material for you that you won't read. These studies are before the whole mask thing got politicized.

Review of the Medical Literature
Here are key anchor points to the extensive scientific literature that establishes that wearing surgical masks and respirators (e.g., “N95”) does not reduce the risk of contracting a verified illness:

Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) “Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial,” American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 – 419. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002

N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

Cowling, B. et al. (2010) “Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review,” Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic- review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.

bin-Reza et al. (2012) “The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence,” Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x

“There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”

Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis,” CMAJ Mar 2016 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

“We identified six clinical studies … . In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism.”

Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) “Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis,” Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

“Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant”; as per Fig. 2c therein:



Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) “N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial,” JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

“Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. ... Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381

Looks like most of the studies (at least the ones that showed a viable link) are testing whether face masks prevent the wearer from getting a disease.

That's not why face masks were recommended. They were recommended to reduce the infected wearer from spreading the disease to others and that's the kind of study you need to look at.

Also your second study had no cites at all as yet.

Quote: rxwine

Looks like most of the studies (at least the ones that showed a viable link) are testing whether face masks prevent the wearer from getting a disease.

That's not why face masks were recommended. They were recommended to reduce the infected wearer from spreading the disease to others and that's the kind of study you need to look at.

Also your second study had no cites at all as yet.

Is that right? Keep tap dancing… you’re good at it.