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July 2nd, 2020 at 10:19:20 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: RonC
I read one of the stories on this. Any support these folks had for Trump in the first place was lukewarm. The story I read mentioned Colin Powell, who has not voted for a Republican since 2004. Bush himself was, at best, ambivalent about Trump.

The question is will these folks, if really Republicans at all, be willing to fight to elect Republicans across the nation in 2022 (or even for the "under card" this year) should they help get Biden elected? Biden is not going to work towards the agenda of the Republican party, with or without Trump.


Well, I think a number of them, probably most of them, are representative of the folks who held their nose and voted for Trump last time because any republican is better than any democrat, and this time are thinking that any candidate, regardless of party, is better for the country than 4 more years of trump.

Everyone knows game theory well enough to understand that any vote withheld from one of the top two parties to vote for a 3rd party is basically a vote for the other top party.

I'm just surprised that they are coming out and saying vote for Biden, rather than saying vote for anyone other than trump.

whether or not they are real republicans or rinos is irrelevant - they represent a group of people who would normally vote for a republican, who are now being actively encouraged to vote for a democrat instead.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
July 2nd, 2020 at 10:20:35 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: Evenbob
Where's Soopoo. He posts a lot every
day and hasn't posted at all for 2
straight days.


I've been reading. Just haven't found anything that interesting to post about. Golfed yesterday and today.
July 2nd, 2020 at 10:27:44 AM permalink
RonC
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Quote: Dalex64
whether or not they are real republicans or rinos is irrelevant - they represent a group of people who would normally vote for a republican, who are now being actively encouraged to vote for a democrat instead.


I didn't take up the issue of not voting for anyone but Trump versus voting for Biden because that part of it doesn't matter much to me...

My point was more focused on how they would vote down ballot this year and how they would handle the elections in 2022. Will they use any clout they have to bring Republicans more seats in the House and Senate? Or are they simply going to abandon the party and let the Dems run roughshod?
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July 2nd, 2020 at 12:00:02 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: RonC
I didn't take up the issue of not voting for anyone but Trump versus voting for Biden because that part of it doesn't matter much to me...

My point was more focused on how they would vote down ballot this year and how they would handle the elections in 2022. Will they use any clout they have to bring Republicans more seats in the House and Senate? Or are they simply going to abandon the party and let the Dems run roughshod?


Voting for anyone who considers so many facts so often optional is a stupid idea no matter what side they are on.
Trump says his supporters are dumber than a sack of rocks
July 2nd, 2020 at 12:19:18 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: RonC
I didn't take up the issue of not voting for anyone but Trump versus voting for Biden because that part of it doesn't matter much to me...

My point was more focused on how they would vote down ballot this year and how they would handle the elections in 2022. Will they use any clout they have to bring Republicans more seats in the House and Senate? Or are they simply going to abandon the party and let the Dems run roughshod?


Oh. No, I didn't get the impression that they were advocating voting for a democrat for any position other than president.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
July 2nd, 2020 at 12:31:29 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Dalex64


Everyone knows game theory well enough to understand that any vote withheld from one of the top two parties to vote for a 3rd party is basically a vote for the other top party.


No, it is not.

Suppose it is 2024 and the GOP puts up Jeb the RINO. I will never again vote for a RINO, so I just vote downballot. Now, by your standard that is a vote for Jeb because I did not support the Democrat Party candidate?

Your standard says you need to vote for Hitler because Stalin was a far worse murderer.

People need to learn to stay home or vote 3rd party. If they did then we might get somewhere. As it is the slaves think they are free because they can pick A or B even if both are bad choices.

An example is the GOP voters who went for Perot. Since then, no GOP POTUS is going to cave to new taxes like Bush41 did. They showed there is a price to pay.

On the Democrat Party side, votes went for Nader in 2000 and 2004. This made 2008 and after Democrat candidates progressively more and more liberal to now you had a bunch of loons trying to see who could go more socialist.
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July 2nd, 2020 at 1:57:04 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: AZDuffman
No, it is not.

Suppose it is 2024 and the GOP puts up Jeb the RINO. I will never again vote for a RINO, so I just vote downballot. Now, by your standard that is a vote for Jeb because I did not support the Democrat Party candidate?

Your standard says you need to vote for Hitler because Stalin was a far worse murderer.

People need to learn to stay home or vote 3rd party. If they did then we might get somewhere. As it is the slaves think they are free because they can pick A or B even if both are bad choices.

An example is the GOP voters who went for Perot. Since then, no GOP POTUS is going to cave to new taxes like Bush41 did. They showed there is a price to pay.

On the Democrat Party side, votes went for Nader in 2000 and 2004. This made 2008 and after Democrat candidates progressively more and more liberal to now you had a bunch of loons trying to see who could go more socialist.
Good post.

A vote for is a vote for, simple as that.
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July 2nd, 2020 at 2:41:17 PM permalink
DRich
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Quote: AZDuffman
No, it is not.

Suppose it is 2024 and the GOP puts up Jeb the RINO. I will never again vote for a RINO, so I just vote downballot. Now, by your standard that is a vote for Jeb because I did not support the Democrat Party candidate?



I don't believe in voting for anyone that I can't put my full support behind. I will never vote for a second best choice or just bet against another candidate. If I can't give my full support I won't vote.
July 3rd, 2020 at 5:28:08 AM permalink
Shrek
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Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: Dalex64
Just a bunch of RINOS think the Democrats will like them for being traitors. No shortage of this kind sadly.

Yep, good riddance!! The libbies can have them!!
July 3rd, 2020 at 4:25:15 PM permalink
Evenbob
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