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Quote: Evenbob

So you have no memory of Trump
before 2016 either? Sad..

Of course I do. If I didn't remember all his claims of "billionaire", I wouldn't be upset to find it's been a misrepresentation. If I didn't remember the claims of "self made", I wouldn't be incensed to find it's all been silver spoon. If I didn't remember how completely ubiquitous he's been my entire life, I wouldn't be so offended to find it's all been manufactured by his own hand, a la Kris Jenner. If I didn't remember his widespread and very public adultery, it wouldn't bother me that he's the face of the (lol) "Family Values" party.

If I didn't remember all this, I wouldn't be so embarrassed witnessing your obsequiousness.

Quote: Face

If I didn't remember the claims of "self made", I wouldn't be incensed to find it's all been silver spoon.

So you think his daddy gave him
billions of dollars? You think his
daddy was the big Manhattan
developer and Trump just
inherited it all? Really? I mean,
really?

How is he doing such a great
job as president if he's such
a total failure in his life.
Puzzling, huh..

Quote: Evenbob

How is he doing such a great
job as president if he's such
a total failure in his life.
Puzzling, huh..

If his best accomplishment is letting business run themselves as much as possible, then his best accomplishment is Trump doing nothing.

IF HE WAS RUNNING THEM, THEY'D ALL GO BANKRUPT.

Quote: rxwine

If his best accomplishment is letting business run themselves

Uh Huh. Here's just a partial list
of what he's accomplished so
far. The whole list is 3 times
longer. This is from March of last
year, doesn't even include most
of 2019.

Due to President Trump’s pro-growth policies, real gross domestic product (GDP) growth exceeded 3 percent over the last four quarters.
Real GDP grew at annual rates of 3.4 percent in the third quarter of 2018 and 4.2 percent in the second quarter.
More than 5 million jobs have been created since President Trump’s election and the unemployment rate remains below 4 percent.
This is the eighth time this year that the unemployment rate has been below 4 percent.
Prior to this year, the unemployment rate had fallen below 4 percent only five times since 1970.
The unemployment rate for African Americans in May fell to 5.9 percent, which is the lowest rate on record.
Asian and Hispanic-American unemployment rates have reached record lows this year.
Initial weekly jobless claims have hit a nearly 50-year low under President Trump.
Under President Trump, job openings outnumber the unemployed for the first time on record.
Recently, more than two-thirds of Americans rated “now” as a good time to find a quality job, tying a record high in a poll by Gallup.
Americans are seeing more money in their pockets thanks to the booming economy.
In recent months, workers have seen their largest nominal year over year wage growth in nearly a decade.
In 2017, real median household income rose to a post-recession high.
President Trump’s policies are helping to lift Americans out of poverty.
African-American and Hispanic-American poverty rates reached record lows of 21.2 percent and 18.3 percent, respectively, in 2017.
Since the election, 4.6 million Americans have been lifted off of food stamps.
Consumer confidence has soared under President Trump, recently reaching an 18-year high.
President Trump is delivering on his promise to bring back American manufacturing.
The National Association of Manufacturers’ Outlook Index had the highest annual average in its history over the past year.
Manufacturing added 284,000 jobs in 2018, the most added in a year since 1997
Small Business optimism jumped to a record high under President Trump, according to a survey by the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB).
The NFIB’s Small Business Optimism Index broke a 35-year record in August.
President Trump signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act into law, ushering in the largest package of tax cuts and reforms in American history.
These tax cuts are delivering real results for American families and workers.
More than 6 million workers received tax cut bonuses and benefits.
More than 100 utility companies have announced lower rates.
President Trump is ensuring American workers receive the training and education they need to compete in today’s economy.
President Trump signed an executive order establishing the National Council for the American worker.
More than 185 companies and associations have signed our “Pledge to America’s Workers,” promising more than 6.4 million new training and career opportunities.
The President signed legislation that reauthorized the Carl D. Perkins Career and Technical Education Act, making more than $1 billion available for career education programs.
President Trump has prioritized the economic empowerment of women.
The women’s unemployment rate recently reached its lowest rate in 65 years.
The Small Business Administration lent approximately $500 million more in capital to women-owned businesses in 2017 compared to 2016.
The Administration helped launch the Women Entrepreneurs Finance Initiative, which could leverage more than $1 billion to support women entrepreneurs.
ash America’s incredible energy resources.
America is the largest crude oil producer in the world and production has hit a record high.
President Trump’s policies are helping to boost American energy exports.
The Administration has streamlined Liquefied Natural Gas terminal permitting.
In 2017, the United States became a net natural gas exporter for the first time in 60 years.
American coal exports increased by more than 60 percent in 2017.
President Trump is expanding access to our country’s abundant natural resources.
The President signed legislation to open up energy exploration in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge.
In July 2018, the Department of the Interior announced it would hold the largest oil and gas lease sale in history.
In 2017, the Administration approved construction of the Dakota Access pipeline and the cross border permit for the Keystone XL pipeline.
The Administration issued permits for the New Burgos Pipeline that will export American petroleum products to Mexico.
The President has ended the war on coal, cutting Obama-era regulations such as the “Stream Protection Rule” which was estimated to cost industries $81 million a year.
President Trump is replacing the Clean Power Plan, a flawed Obama-era regulation that the Supreme Court ordered halted.
President Trump rescinded the hydraulic fracturing rule, which was expected to cost the oil and gas industry $32 million per year.
The Trump Administration curbed the burdensome Obama-era rule on methane, saving American energy developers hundreds of millions of dollars in regulatory costs.

Quote: Evenbob

So you think his daddy gave him
billions of dollars? You think his
daddy was the big Manhattan
developer and Trump just
inherited it all? Really? I mean,
really?

Course not. That would mean Trump had a billion dollars, and I don't claim things which have no proof. What I am claiming is that daddy gave him bare minimum 8 figures free and clear, including but not limited to a $200,000 a year salary starting at the age of just 3, several 8 figure "loans" in violation of tax law to prop his failing ventures, and all told gifted approximately $410,000,000.

He's as self made as I am self sufficient. Which is to say completely, so long as you ignore literally every single thing.

Not a whit of this means Donald Trump is incapable of making money, and I've not once ever made that claim. His name alone is worth more than my entire life ever will be, and that's a fact. He can agree to appear somewhere and make more in that appearance than I will using every ability I have over the course of my entire life, and that's a fact. And that name recognition, the thing that actually gives Donald Trump his value, is 100% on Donald Trump, as he's the master marketer that made his name ubiquitous the world over.

But "self made" is a level of sycophantry to such a servile degree I thought it only existed in medieval fiction. Like the hunchback's fealty to King Leonidas. It's... it's just weird, man, but that might be my own failure as a person. I guess it's just hard watching a grown man fawn.

Same answer from me.

There’s no argument that business runs better when you start letting them run roughshod over everything.

That isn’t a good thing.

Quote: Face

But "self made" is a level of .

Your definition of 'self made'
is flawed. Rockefeller was
self made. He too got a
sizable loan from his father
to start in business. Sizable
for the 1850's. In your book
that makes him not self
made at all. In your book
anybody who gets the slightest
help is a fraud, he's not self
made.

Glad I don't live in your world,
way to claustrophobic for me.

Quote:

I guess it's just hard watching a grown man fawn.

'Fawn'? Really? It's harder watching
otherwise intelligent people going
apeshit bananas with spitting hatred
just because somebody won an
election and is doing well at it. That's
what's hard to watch.

Quote: Evenbob

Your definition of 'self made'
is flawed. Rockefeller was
self made. He too got a
sizable loan from his father
to start in business. Sizable
for the 1850's. In your book
that makes him not self
made at all. In your book
anybody who gets the slightest
help is a fraud, he's not self
made.
.

What an insult to people who did it without big loans from family.

Trump has some people so bamboozled, they even insult the success of people who actually worked their way up from nothing.

Quote: rxwine

What an insult to people who did it without big loans from family.

It's called the 'real world'. Starting from
scratch with no breaks, or getting help
at the start, and both ending up super
successful. If you think both of those
don't take an equal amount of talent
than you need to educate yourself..

Failures in both categories are the
norm, the vast overwhelming norm.
Getting there by any means is not
possible without an extreme amount
of talent. That you and Face want to
nitpick it means you both have never
run a business in your lives.