Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

July 26th, 2014 at 6:16:14 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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After a historically cold winter. Weather happens.
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July 26th, 2014 at 8:44:09 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Sure does, and warmer than average has been happening a lot more frequently than colder than average.
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July 26th, 2014 at 11:58:58 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Dalex64
Sure does, and warmer than average has been happening a lot more frequently than colder than average.


Not where I live, we're having a very cool
summer and pleasant. In the 60's we had
some hot summers that never seemed
to end, thank god there seems to be a
cooling trend.
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July 26th, 2014 at 4:47:20 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Dalex64
Sure does, and warmer than average has been happening a lot more frequently than colder than average.


Not sure where you have been getting your data. Temps stable to falling last 15 years or so. Too bad as historically warmer is better.

Since it is all natural cycles of the earth and sun nothing a can do anyways.

[/link=http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/coolest-summer-on-record-in-the-us/]EDIT: Coolest summer on record in USA.
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July 27th, 2014 at 3:38:55 PM permalink
boymimbo
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Quote: AZ
Since it is all natural cycles of the earth and sun nothing a can do anyways.


Prove it. The science is certain on the role that carbon dioxide plays in the atmosphere. It absorbs heat, making the atmosphere warmer. The source of the increased Carbon Dioxide is us. Not even the scientists who are against climate change argue against that point. Their arguments are generally that other factors will balance our activities and even everything out.

And the rate of change in Carbon Dioxide is leading to a climate change event that the earth only experienced in times of catastophic changes, like on asteroid impacts destroyed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, when a very huge volcano erupts, or when a passing star changes the earth's orbit.

We are changing the climate. I don't care if it's cooler in the United States measured by 90 degree days, or if Bob's experiencing a nice summer with nice temperatures. The USA is not the world.
July 27th, 2014 at 4:54:09 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: boymimbo
Prove it. The science is certain on the role that carbon dioxide plays in the atmosphere. It absorbs heat, making the atmosphere warmer. The source of the increased Carbon Dioxide is us. Not even the scientists who are against climate change argue against that point. Their arguments are generally that other factors will balance our activities and even everything out.


It has been proven over and over. The halt of warming the last 10-15 years is really not in dispute.

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And the rate of change in Carbon Dioxide is leading to a climate change event that the earth only experienced in times of catastophic changes, like on asteroid impacts destroyed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, when a very huge volcano erupts, or when a passing star changes the earth's orbit.


Prove it! You can start by getting reliable temperature records, not tree-ring and other unverifiable guesses, from pre-1860s.

Since we can't get records that do not exist we cannot draw a conclusion. No matter how much the sheep want to believe the earth is warming changing it cannot be proved, it cannot be put against a control group, it cannot be anything a person who thinks logically can believe.
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July 27th, 2014 at 5:18:56 PM permalink
boymimbo
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Quote: AZDuffman
Prove it! You can start by getting reliable temperature records, not tree-ring and other unverifiable guesses, from pre-1860s.

Since we can't get records that do not exist we cannot draw a conclusion. No matter how much the sheep want to believe the earth is warming changing it cannot be proved, it cannot be put against a control group, it cannot be anything a person who thinks logically can believe.


You realize that all of the temperature data that we have for previous ice ages, etc, is from tree-ring, ice-core, and other proxy data, both of which are very reliable. Just because you don't understand the science doesn't make it false. The only way we know about the temperature record and our past is through observations beyond a thermometer.

But here's an article you can read around ice cores to help you understand the science around it. I doubt you will.

It's just like forensic science really. When the pathologist looks at a dead body, they can use all kinds of clues to determine method and time of death, fairly accurately. Yet no one witnessed the murder.

Read
Or read.
July 27th, 2014 at 8:37:03 PM permalink
Beethoven
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Why do Warmers always complain about the weather?

It's kind of arrogant to think that humans can change the weather when they have enough trouble changing their underwear.
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July 27th, 2014 at 8:41:26 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Beethoven
Why do Warmers always complain about the weather?


Because they think climate is what they see
the weatherman talk about on TV. Warm
in the morning and cold in the evening is
climate change to them. A hot August is
climate change and a cool July was a fluke.
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July 27th, 2014 at 10:06:10 PM permalink
boymimbo
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"warmers" shouldn't be complaining about the weather, you're right. Typically, skeptics use weather and local phenomena to state that climate change is not occuring. I find that warmers who make the same argument using current local weather as an indicator of climate change are as stupid as the skeptics making the same opposite argument.

Scientists look at worldwide long term trends, greater than 17 years. The fact that there was a brutal thunderstorm here in Niagara Falls tonight has nothing to do with climate change. If the worldwide thunderstorm count was higher every year and was trending higher, climatologists might be able to make the statement that the atmosphere is less stable as a result of climate change.

This is why it's difficult to get people to change. It's like we're the crab in the pot, slowly getting warmer and warmer, not knowing to get out before it's too late. It's like we're the middle aged dude gaining half a pound a month starting about 20 years ago who is now 120 pounds overweight and catches diabetes and is about to die from a coronary from a stressful Monday morning. When things happen slowly, we don't do anything about it.

Sometimes AGWers use weather phenomena to get their point across, then get caught with their pants down when they're wrong, like when hurricane frequencies don't increase. They get caught up in the politics too.