Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

September 30th, 2024 at 4:15:09 AM permalink
terapined
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Oh, also have to continue with the tit for tat everybody is engaged in

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The UK is bracing for a cold snap next week as an Arctic blast is set to hit.

According to WX Charts, Friday, October 11 could see temperatures plummet below zero in many parts of the country, signalling the true arrival of autumn . . . and possibly the early one of winter. Netweather's map indicates a high likelihood of snowfall in some regions.
emphasis mine

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/weather-maps-show-exact-date-33781210 .

This ain't news
People dying and still dying due to weather is news
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September 30th, 2024 at 4:34:44 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: odiousgambit
Some good things could come out of wanting to switch away from so much dependence on fossil fuels. F. fuels are ridiculously dirty on top of everything else

Not too much good comes out of panic, though. Guys like Kerry really show what can happen to people... the need for impossible solutions seems to breed crackpots. Thanks to Sabine Hossenfelder [you like her, yes?] we learned Germany's solution was to spend billions on a Hydrogen Energy System that can't possibly work, but she suspects they secretly just plan to use that infrastructure to store natural gas. So the dishonesty is also hard to take

To answer your question, I don't see conditions ever developing for panic mode. Can the climate get so bad that we have food shortages and deserts everywhere? Florida 90% under water ? Possibly, but most rational people would argue against it getting that bad. A return to more normal Ice Age conditions would be much worse. And that of all the scenarios is an almost certain eventual outcome ... all this way beyond our lifetimes.

OK, I turn out to be wrong and finally the entire public [after an upcoming huge backlash against crackpot ideas] all agree, we have to do something now! Well, we better wise up and go to the only thing that's going to get it done, and that's a worldwide energy system based on Nuclear. You ready for that?


When you look at the sequence of events starting with 3 mile island, the resistance to nuclear plants is fairly logical and why we are where we are today.

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The accident did not initiate the demise of the U.S. nuclear power industry, but it did halt its historic growth. Additionally, as a result of the earlier 1973 oil crisis and post-crisis analysis with conclusions of potential overcapacity in base load, 40 planned nuclear power plants already had been canceled before the accident. At the time of the incident, 129 nuclear power plants had been approved, but of those, only 53 which were not already operating were completed. During the lengthy review process, complicated by the Chernobyl disaster seven years later, Federal requirements to correct safety issues and design deficiencies became more stringent, local opposition became more strident, construction times were significantly lengthened and costs skyrocketed.[107] Until 2012,[108] no U.S. nuclear power plant had been authorized to begin construction since the year before, 1978. Globally, the end of the increase in nuclear power plant construction came with the more catastrophic Chernobyl disaster in 1986 (see graph).


Of course you have to now add in Fukushima accident.

So, I'm glad we didn't initially keep rushing ahead with building reactors. But it's also hard to address unknown problems unless you keep pushing forward. Same is true with green energy. You can't find some of your potential issues unless you push forward.

This bit from the same Wiki link was amusing/

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Admiral Hyman G. Rickover was later asked to tell Congress why naval nuclear propulsion (as used in submarines) had suffered no reactor accidents, defined as the uncontrolled release of fission products to the environment resulting from damage to a reactor core. In his testimony, Rickover said:

Over the years, many people have asked me how I run the Naval Reactors Program, so that they might find some benefit for their own work. I am always chagrined at the tendency of people to expect that I have a simple, easy gimmick that makes my program function. Any successful program functions as an integrated whole of many factors. Trying to select one aspect as the key one will not work. Each element depends on all the others.[136]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident
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September 30th, 2024 at 5:44:25 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: odiousgambit
Oh, also have to continue with the tit for tat everybody is engaged in

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The UK is bracing for a cold snap next week as an Arctic blast is set to hit.

According to WX Charts, Friday, October 11 could see temperatures plummet below zero in many parts of the country, signalling the true arrival of autumn . . . and possibly the early one of winter. Netweather's map indicates a high likelihood of snowfall in some regions.
emphasis mine

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/weather-maps-show-exact-date-33781210 .


And?
Like those posting about the hurricanes, when we get them, I will just let you draw your own conclusions

which is what we all do anyway, according to our biases. And it's OK unless you turn into a crackpot
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September 30th, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Brrrr! we're next!

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September 30th, 2024 at 6:28:35 AM permalink
GenoDRPh
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Brrrr! we're next!



I live in New England.I expect snow any time-without warning-from October through May.

Still don't see your point,
September 30th, 2024 at 6:45:26 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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Imagine if you were trained as a medical professional and you invested a $1/4 million in fiat to get that paper.

And then later find out it was associated with premeditated depopulation based upon the basic doubling math of populations.

It'd be a tough pill to swallow.


So what's a person to do?

Give up their personal security and way of life?


In a way, politics is divided by those that value life the most and those that value life the least.

The ones that value life the most, usually dislike depopulation, and vice-versa.

The exception are those that value depopulation unless it's their life.

So the premise for depopulation is, as long as I'm not one of those targeted for death, I'm loyal to the cause of saving humanity.
September 30th, 2024 at 7:04:19 AM permalink
rxwine
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the panic folks are clinging to the strength of this one hurricane it seems. They need to prove it to themselves I guess



I was the one that brought up the bunched-up number of 4-5 category hurricanes over 57 years that Geno corrected up making it even more significant. Stronger storms overall is part of warming climate predictions.
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September 30th, 2024 at 7:15:39 AM permalink
rxwine
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Personally, I think scientists aren't giving enough considerations to variance. Even when odds change, variance will still make the outcome uneven in the short run.
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September 30th, 2024 at 9:02:17 AM permalink
JimRockford
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I was the one that brought up the bunched-up number of 4-5 category hurricanes over 57 years that Geno corrected up making it even more significant. Stronger storms overall is part of warming climate predictions.


Ahem
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September 30th, 2024 at 9:10:30 AM permalink
JimRockford
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Let me see if I understand. If something happens that agrees with the climate models (more frequent severe storms), it should be dismissed as insignificant. However if something happens contradictory to the models (a year or two of growing Antarctic sea ice) it should be held up as disproof.
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