Original Sin?

Quote: FrGamble

No you can find the notion of the Trinity in the Old Testament. But I am glad you recognize that this avoids the incest charge.

My bad. I meant to say "Did your cult invent this ridiculous construct to try to avoid the incest issue?

I'm still not buying it.

And I spent too many more years than I care to remember at a Jewish elementary school. we read the "Old Testament" in Yiddish and Hebrew. If the notion of a trinity was there, it wasn't there.

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Again such a poor misunderstanding of the teaching on the Eucharist.

It's the clear understanding of one without a stake in a cult which mandates such barbaric practices.

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You but your heart and soul into a meal that you provide for your guest.

The soul cannot be put anywhere because it's not material. And if I were to put my heart into a meal, I'd die before I could complete it.

Seriously, I dare you to read my blog, and the recipes I've posted here, and find even one where I say "add your soul," or "add a piece of flesh from your heart." I can assure you I've never done this. It would be beyond ridiculous.

Quote: FrGamble

Remember that the Trinity is Three Divine Persons that make up One God.

Except it's not a real thing, the Church
made it up.

"The truth is that the Trinity isn't even mentioned in God's word, the Holy Bible. A check of any concordance will prove this fact. Not only is it not mentioned, but the doctrine is neither found in the New Testament, nor the Old Testament."

As usual the Church stole the idea
from other myth stories that predate
Christianity. Everybody else had a
trinity, it was a big tradition.

"In Indian religion there is the Trinitarian group of Brahma, Vishna, and Shiva; in Egyptian religion there is the group of Kneph, Phthas, and Osiris. In Phoenicia the trinity of gods were Ulomus, Ulosuros, and Eliun. In Greece they were Zeus, Poseidon, and Aidoneus.
In Rome they were Jupiter, Neptune, and Pluto. In Babylonia and Assyria they were Anos, lllinos, and Aos. Among Celtic nations they were called Kriosan, Biosena, and Siva, and in Germanic nations they were called Thor, Wodan, and Fricco."

Quote: FrGamble

Don't just close off the conversation and your mind because you have no answers.

Sorry, I did a lot of work in those
threads. I'm not letting you suck
me in again so you can say word
for word what you've already
said before. Doing the same
thing over and over and expecting
a different result is a definition
of insanity. (no, Einstein did not
say that)

Quote: FrGamble

No you can find the notion of the Trinity in the Old Testament.

And you can find the 'notion' of Santa
in Night Before Xmas. So what.

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The fullness of Jesus Christ is present in the Holy Eucharist.

It's the fullness of your imagination, that's about it.
It's one of the reasons Ed left the priesthood, he came to
realize over time the eucharist was pure nonsense and he
got tired of perpetuating the fraud.

Quote: Evenbob

Except it's not a real thing, the Church
made it up.

Now who is forgetting what? We talked about this too and many times in the NT the formula of "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" are used.

Quote: FrGamble

Now who is forgetting what? We talked about this too and many times in the NT the formula of "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" are used.

Since you believe that, I strongly advise you not to repeat the formula for summoning Bloody Mary. People can be scared to death.

Quote: FrGamble

in the NT the formula of "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" are used.

They needed a trinity to copy the
other myths, so they conveniently
found one. You can make the Bible
say anything you want it to, remember?

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are pretty clear. The Trinity is one of the most obvious teachings of the NT. Do you really think that these myths from India or wherever where in the minds of the Jewish authors of the OT and NT?

Quote: FrGamble

Do you really think that these myths from India or wherever where in the minds of the Jewish authors of the OT and NT?

You think the learned people of that
time were completely ignorant of the
myths and stories from other cultures?
They were not. These stories had hundreds
of years to circulate. They came in from
soldiers, traders from far lands, all kinds
of different sources. You act like they lived
in a vacuum.

Being a Jew in Palestine was pretty much as close to living in a vacuum as you could get especially in those times. They weren't like the Romans and interested in incorporating other conquered people's religions or ideas into their own. They were fiercely independent and rejected all things pagan.