Original Sin?

Quote: Wizard

Yeah, that was kind of easy. Give me a harder one.

Here is a fun one for you -- What verse proves there was baseball in biblical times?

Still waiting for the verse you had in mind that proves baseball was played in Biblical times.

Quote: Evenbob

It's a ridiculous question. First you invent sin,
then you invent original sin, then you invent
people that were conceived without it. The
truth is, we were all conceived without sin,
because sin is a made up concept. The silly
games people play to make themselves feel
important.

That's what all of this is about, inventing a god
and then making yourself the center of that gods
attention. He's interested in every thought you
have and every action you take. He better be,
because nobody else is. If you're the apple of
some gods eye, that means you're important.
And Christians always stress this a lot. God loves
you, you're are important to him. People must
be very insecure because they eat this nonsense
up. It gives me the creeps, but I'm not insecure,
I don't need to feel important.

Quote: Wizard

Yeah, that was kind of easy. Give me a harder one.

Who is first ever called "Messiah" in the Bible?

“You can’t convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it’s based on a deep seated need to believe.” — Carl Sagan

That's really true. The more you talk to
true believers, the more you realize
that evidence means nothing to them.
They want and need to believe, so they
do. That's the huge difference with
atheists, we have no interest in believing
anything without real evidence. It's
such a huge waste of time.

Quote: Evenbob

That's the huge difference with
atheists, we have no interest in believing
anything without real evidence. It's
such a huge waste of time.

Ha, the hypocrisy is so rich. The real difference with atheists is that they come to the conclusion there is no God without real, unreal, or any kind of evidence whatsoever. In fact they come to that conclusion in the face of all kinds of evidence. It really is amazing the lengths people will go to believing something just because they so desperately want it to be true.

Quote: FrGamble

Ha, the hypocrisy is so rich. The real difference with atheists is that they come to the conclusion there is no God without real, unreal, or any kind of evidence whatsoever. .

It doesn't work to turn it around. If
there was real evidence you would have
presented it. Carl Sagan never saw any,
Einstein either. What Sagan said was
the truth. It's all about the deep seated
need of the believer to believe, that's
all there is to it. You want to believe,
you have to believe. You'll make
compromises, you'll suspend your
common sense disbelief for so long
you'll never find it again. Just to satisfy
an almost pathological need to have
something to believe in.

Atheists don't have that need, we're
satisfied with just finding out how
things work as we go along. We have
no desire to fill in the blanks with urban
myths and superstition just because
we're impatient.

Quote: Evenbob

You want to believe,
you have to believe.

What is your evidence of this?

Speaking of evidence you have NEVER taken up my challenge to point out why the many things I gave you as evidence were not evidence. You keep just saying over and over that is not like you have a desperate need for it to not be true and you simply close your mind and eyes to it and hope it all goes away. I have posted many times of lists of evidence that you never even begin to answer or explain why in your strange little ways they don't count.

I also have never seen from you any evidence to support why you are so sure there is no God.

Quote: FrGamble

I also have never seen from you any evidence to support why you are so sure there is no God.

I'm ignoring the rest of your post and just
going here. I'm very worried about you.
We've been down this road so many
times the tarmac is worn. I'll say what
I always say when you ask this. I've
can't produce evidence Santa doesn't
exist. Or unicorns. Or Big Foot. The burden
isn't on me to disprove something, the
burden is on the person making the
statement. You cannot approach someone
and say, unicorns are real, prove me wrong.

You truly don't remember that we've discussed
this a dozen times. You really have to ask
yourself why that is.

And you clearly don't remember two important things about our many conversations about this. I'm surprised you bring it up again.

1. To make a "positive" truth claim that there is definitely no God is different than saying there is not evidence for the existence of God. The former is the illogical position of an atheist. The second is that of an agnostic. You have said many times that there is no God and seem quite confident of such an outlandish position. I continue to be curious as to why? It certainly isn't because of any evidence you have provided. You share a burden of proof if you are going to say definitively that there is no God.

2. You can show evidence that there is no Santa Claus or Unicorns. The story of Santa Claus doesn't work and is not reasonable. How does a finite not all powerful overweight man living at the North Pole deliver billions of gifts throughout the world on one night? Why is it that ever parent eventually admits there is no Santa Claus. There has never been a single unexplainable gift that has been attributed to Santa Claus. We have completely explored the North Pole and there is no elves, workshops, or Santa Claus. Likewise for unicorns, leprechauns, Big Foot, etc. I think you think you are being clever but really you are just demonstrating that you are thinking thoroughly or clearly about this issue to make the offensive comparison between God and these things like Santa Claus.

Quote: FrGamble

How does a finite not all powerful overweight man living at the North Pole deliver billions of gifts throughout the world on one night?.

You obviously have had no trouble attributing acts of god through ordinary men in the bible. How does an ordinary men part the Red Sea? How does an ordinary man raise the dead? Not just Jesus claimed these things.

You already accept claims not within ordinary physics, why be a hypocrite just because you don't want to believe?