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Original Sin?
| October 27th, 2015 at 7:34:47 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Don't you seem to have the cart before the horse here? Stories are used to communicate truth. Whether or not there was a talking snake exactly as presented in Genesis or not has nothing to do with the fact that Eve was tempted to disobey God. There are certain things in a story of course that are essential and it really just takes common sense often to realize it not the infallible help of the Holy Spirit. If the story of Jesus' Resurrection did not really have a resurrection than it all falls apart. Did hundreds of people rise from the dead as well, I'm not sure, but it is not essential to the story of Jesus' real and true bodily Resurrection. Doctrine stands on the fact that it is true not by analyzing the story, as important as that is. So for example the reality is we as human beings are good but we often struggle to do what we know is right and gravitate more to what we want rather than what is best. This is Original Sin.
It is the first and definitely not the latter.
What kind of craziness is this? A book doesn't have to be a scientific textbook to transmit truth!?! Some of the greatest and most important truths are only and best told far outside the pages of a science experiment. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 27th, 2015 at 7:48:31 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
When you look at the stories this really isn't true. The differences are laughable. Not only are they very different, but they are not real. There isn't the same historical proof and lasting effect of for example Jesus Christ.
You aren't thinking through this enough I think. It should be very hard for you to envision a simple carpenter/iterant preacher from the back water of the Roman Empire who was crucified between two thieves long before they had any "mass communication" is the source of more literature, art, discussion, and belief than any person who ever lived or will live. He has impacted the world in a way that, to be honest, make comparisons to ice bucket challenges and Rasputin, or the Seneca creation myth really silly. Not to mention your "mostly dead" theory is not tenable. Here are just some brief reasons why: Romans are really good at killing people, the wounds of the crucifixion plus a spear thrust in the side for good measure are not survivable, three days without food, water, or care will not make one better, a badly wounded clinging to life "resurrected" Jesus would not quite inspire the Apostles and disciples in the historical way it did. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 27th, 2015 at 7:59:50 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
So what. What saved him from obscurity was Christianity being made the state religion of Rome. That, and the fact it was a hodge podge of popular concepts from other religions, that it stole ideas and rituals and holidays from paganism, and it had an overly aggressive and unforgiving recruiting arm that was relentless in finding new 'believers'. Saying the Church's success is all about a nice, quiet, peaceful carpenter is ludicrous. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 27th, 2015 at 8:09:59 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I admit that sometimes I peek too.
I certainly don't want to offend dear Brother Mendel so I will have to do some more thinking and praying about this issue of the inbreeding that was necessary at the beginning of the human race. Right now my response would be to remind Nareed that I believe God gave (either through a new creation or by the process of evolution) a perfect set of chromosomes and genes to both Adam and Eve, our first parents and the first humans. Let me leave it at that until I can come up with a better answer to not offend Br. Mendel and dear Nareed. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 27th, 2015 at 8:11:05 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Yes it is, that is why the only thing that makes sense is that He was truly the Son of God! “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 27th, 2015 at 8:20:17 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
That too. Polytheism in the Ancient world was rather consistent between different regions, with Egypt perhaps as something of an exception. The gods differed, but the basic ideas were the same. This lasted far longer than Christianity has, and likely will. Back then the only two odd things about Jews was that they worshipped only one god and they made no representations of their god. Otherwise, the ritual and practice was very much the same, including animal sacrifices at the temple. The Egyptian cult lasted around 3,000 years. Probably longer, as it's likely it was present before the unification of lower and upper Egypt, which marks the formal start of recorded Egyptian civilization. Some will point out all these ancient religions changed through time. Of course they did. I will point out Christianity has changed a great deal through time as well. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| October 27th, 2015 at 10:34:40 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
1) Praying is as useful as masturbating when it comes to learning. 2) I spoke about recessive genes, not inbreeding. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| October 27th, 2015 at 10:58:34 AM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Well, I guess I need to pray more then? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| October 27th, 2015 at 12:08:22 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Literally, I cannot advocate or condone that ;) Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| October 27th, 2015 at 12:08:51 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
The biggest reason the Church is still around today is, the forceful way it dealt with heretics. If you have a message, and you force people to believe it, like the Church did, it really doesn't matter what the message is. You act like the Church trudged along in it's first thousand years, preaching the peaceful carpenters message far and wide, slowly building the base of it's wonderful, kind and loving leader, Jesus. Here is just a small example of how the loving Church dealt with so called heretics: "Translating the bible into vernacular languages, or helping with the printing of such a bible was heresy according to the Roman Church. Generally, in Europe, women were buried alive for this offence. Men were burned alive. One printer in Paris was burned on a pyre of his own books. In the sixteenth century William Tyndale translated the bible into English. In danger of arrest and in fear for his life he fled the country. He was arrested in the Netherlands, and in 1536 was executed for heresy for agreeing with the Lutheran doctrine of justification by faith." So much for the peaceful carpenters doctrine. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |