Original Sin?

Quote: FrGamble

That is a great quote and it demonstrates the perseverance needed to keep trying to improve and never give up. I don't know what it really has to say about regret?

That you can't regret doing something
if you learned from it. I've done things
that didn't turn out well, but I also
learned something doing it. No regrets
involved. Regrets are for people who
learn nothing from anything.

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Nope, just to try to be a better version of yourself,

I don't have a better version, just the
ongoing one. Same as you..

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I don't know I've meet some dumb people who don't seem very happy and are even a little cranky at times.

Those are the ones just smart enough
to realize they're clueless. I have a
nephew like that, he only feels good
when he's high on weed. Did your
god put that there for him?

The fact that you learned from certain situations shows that you transformed possible regrettable moments into learning experiences, good for you.

You emphasis on ongoing change in you is also a good sign. God bless you!

Quote: FrGamble

The fact that you learned from certain situations shows that you transformed possible regrettable moments into learning experiences, good for you.

Is this patronizing, or what. You sound
like my grade school teacher, do I
get a gold star? Anybody with half a
brain learns from from what they do. How
many times do you have to touch a
hot stove before you don't do that
anymore. I don't get what any of this
has to do with god. Did you think atheists
were so stupid they are incapable of learning?

Remember the title of this thread, Original Sin? I have just been trying to point out to you over and over again that the human condition is such that we all make regrettable decisions and choices that we learn from and attempt to get better from. At least that is what we should do when we sin, but the reality is that all sin, all make mistakes. I wish everybody, atheists and theists would learn from what they do, but we often don't.

We are so good and capable of such beauty and at the same time we are so stupid and prone to do what we know is wrong.

Quote: FrGamble

I wish everybody, atheists and theists would learn from what they do, but we often don't. .

So you stay up nights worrying about
people not learning from their mistakes?
Is that what you do, run around trying
to 'fix' people, whether they want it
or not? You act like somebody appointed
you the moral arbiter of society.
Believe me, you're not. You have just
as many faults as anybody else, you
make just as many mistakes. So what.

I'm not really that concerned about your judgments towards me only that you recognize the fact that everyone needs to be fixed - me, you, and even the Wizard.

Quote: FrGamble

only that you recognize the fact that everyone needs to be fixed - me, you, and even the Wizard.

I don't recognize it at all, I have no
idea what you're talking about.
This reminds me of Music Man.
Harold Hill comes to town and
convinces them that without a
band to join, the youth would
become juvenile delinquents.

That feels like what's going on here.
You convince people they're
'broken' (whatever that means)
and you just happen to have the
cure.

I really doubt that anyone has to convince anyone that we struggle to live up to the standards we set for ourselves, much less the standards of God.

Quote: FrGamble

I really doubt that anyone has to convince anyone that we struggle to live up to the standards we set for ourselves, much less the standards of God.

I still don't see what living up to
standards we set has anything
to do with anything. God has
none, he's imaginary.

I read that St Jerome never bathed once
in his life, and was proud of it. Romans
were famous for being clean, public baths
were all over Rome. But there was a lot
of debauchery in the baths, and the Church
eventually got rid of them. It gradually
came to be accepted that bathing was not
what god wanted, it meant you were displaying
pride if you were clean and wore clean clothes.

So people basically didn't bath very often, if at all.
It was sinful, an insult to god because you
were being prideful. Some queen in the
Middle Ages bragged she had two baths in
her life, when she was born, and after she
gave birth to her only child. Oh boy.

Makes me wonder why god didn't do better
on the 10 Commandments. Like, cleanliness
is next to godliness. And all forms of slavery
are an abomination in gods eyes.

Imagine the millions of lives that would have
been immensely made better or saved. But
god didn't write the commandments, there
is no god.