Is Obamacare a slur?

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: rxwine

Quote: Tanko

Those percentages are misleading. The higher percentage of the population that is insured today compared to 2010 is due to the expansion of Medicaid, which added 26,000,000 non-paying enrollees since 2010 and is paid for by the Federal government and state and local sources. The taxpayers.

The cost for Americans that actually pay for their medical insurance has nearly doubled since 2010. Nothing affordable about that.

Currently $24,000 annually for a family of four, plus a $12,000 deductible.

And you believe medical costs would have been going down over time? Really?

Bottom line is he is showing the Obamacare claims are not what they make them out to be.

No it's just the reality that medical costs don't generally get cheaper. But we can get it to more people.

Quote: Tanko

Cheaper, certainly not better, and the wait times are months longer.

When Mick Jagger needed an aortic valve replacement six years, he could have had the surgery anywhere in the world, but he chose to have it in NYC.

That year, he was one of the nearly two-million annual medical tourists who come to the US every year to receive medical treatment.

His brother commented "At least he has not got to wait in line for the NHS".

'NHS cancer patients denied supportive treatments'

'Canadian doctors accused of pushing medically assisted death on patients'

"‘You really should consider MAID. You’re not living. You’re just existing.’

'Canadian mom, 57, diagnosed with aggressive stomach cancer was told to consider assisted suicide by doctors who said country's universal healthcare system could not save her'

She received life prolonging treatment in Baltimore at her own expense, and is currently in remission.

In Canada she was told she had as little as two months to live, but they were not sure they could get her an appointment with an oncologist before then.

Yes, and I can list pages of horror stories of Americans who die after being denied approval from insurance, or who stop taking meds, etc.... The old saying plural of acedote is not evidence, the overall stats are what matters, and Canada and UK are much stronger than us (and those are not even the best examples, though they may be the most relatable.)

Quote: Gandler

Quote: Tanko

Cheaper, certainly not better, and the wait times are months longer.

When Mick Jagger needed an aortic valve replacement six years, he could have had the surgery anywhere in the world, but he chose to have it in NYC.

That year, he was one of the nearly two-million annual medical tourists who come to the US every year to receive medical treatment.

His brother commented "At least he has not got to wait in line for the NHS".

'NHS cancer patients denied supportive treatments'

'Canadian doctors accused of pushing medically assisted death on patients'

"‘You really should consider MAID. You’re not living. You’re just existing.’

'Canadian mom, 57, diagnosed with aggressive stomach cancer was told to consider assisted suicide by doctors who said country's universal healthcare system could not save her'

She received life prolonging treatment in Baltimore at her own expense, and is currently in remission.

In Canada she was told she had as little as two months to live, but they were not sure they could get her an appointment with an oncologist before then.

Yes, and I can list pages of horror stories of Americans who die after being denied approval from insurance, or who stop taking meds, etc.... The old saying plural of acedote is not evidence, the overall stats are what matters, and Canada and UK are much stronger than us (and those are not even the best examples, though they may be the most relatable.)

The point is that socialized medicine is not a place you can just pick and get all the care you want, there is approval same as in any system. Difference is here we have more choice.

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: Gandler

Quote: Tanko

Cheaper, certainly not better, and the wait times are months longer.

When Mick Jagger needed an aortic valve replacement six years, he could have had the surgery anywhere in the world, but he chose to have it in NYC.

That year, he was one of the nearly two-million annual medical tourists who come to the US every year to receive medical treatment.

His brother commented "At least he has not got to wait in line for the NHS".

'NHS cancer patients denied supportive treatments'

'Canadian doctors accused of pushing medically assisted death on patients'

"‘You really should consider MAID. You’re not living. You’re just existing.’

'Canadian mom, 57, diagnosed with aggressive stomach cancer was told to consider assisted suicide by doctors who said country's universal healthcare system could not save her'

She received life prolonging treatment in Baltimore at her own expense, and is currently in remission.

In Canada she was told she had as little as two months to live, but they were not sure they could get her an appointment with an oncologist before then.

Yes, and I can list pages of horror stories of Americans who die after being denied approval from insurance, or who stop taking meds, etc.... The old saying plural of acedote is not evidence, the overall stats are what matters, and Canada and UK are much stronger than us (and those are not even the best examples, though they may be the most relatable.)

The point is that socialized medicine is not a place you can just pick and get all the care you want, there is approval same as in any system. Difference is here we have more choice.

We do and we don't, if you are one of the 30ish million Americans with no insurance your choices are nonexistent, if you are one of the 250ish million with very poor health insurance (in most cases may as well be none,) your choices are virtually nonexistent. Only a select few have more choice.

And, ironically, a point very few talk about the people with choice are the very rich and the very poor, people in the middle suffer the most, poor people have great coverage between Medicare (which is actually really good,) and Medicaid (not to mention many free charity clinics and various other programs that they are eligible for,) and rich people can buy whatever platinum plan they want (or multiple,) it is the people that have to choose between paying their mortgage or paying their premiums for their top-tier family plans that suffer. I only say this because I know you will try to frame this as an issue of lazy homeless people not getting medical coverage, this is rarely the case (in fact almost never.) It is single lower middle class people -large family upper middle class people that suffer the most.

Quote: Gandler

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: Gandler

Quote: Tanko

Cheaper, certainly not better, and the wait times are months longer.

When Mick Jagger needed an aortic valve replacement six years, he could have had the surgery anywhere in the world, but he chose to have it in NYC.

That year, he was one of the nearly two-million annual medical tourists who come to the US every year to receive medical treatment.

His brother commented "At least he has not got to wait in line for the NHS".

'NHS cancer patients denied supportive treatments'

'Canadian doctors accused of pushing medically assisted death on patients'

"‘You really should consider MAID. You’re not living. You’re just existing.’

'Canadian mom, 57, diagnosed with aggressive stomach cancer was told to consider assisted suicide by doctors who said country's universal healthcare system could not save her'

She received life prolonging treatment in Baltimore at her own expense, and is currently in remission.

In Canada she was told she had as little as two months to live, but they were not sure they could get her an appointment with an oncologist before then.

Yes, and I can list pages of horror stories of Americans who die after being denied approval from insurance, or who stop taking meds, etc.... The old saying plural of acedote is not evidence, the overall stats are what matters, and Canada and UK are much stronger than us (and those are not even the best examples, though they may be the most relatable.)

The point is that socialized medicine is not a place you can just pick and get all the care you want, there is approval same as in any system. Difference is here we have more choice.

We do and we don't, if you are one of the 30ish million Americans with no insurance your choices are nonexistent, if you are one of the 250ish million with very poor health insurance (in most cases may as well be none,) your choices are virtually nonexistent. Only a select few have more choice.

And, ironically, a point very few talk about the people with choice are the very rich and the very poor, people in the middle suffer the most, poor people have great coverage between Medicare (which is actually really good,) and Medicaid (not to mention many free charity clinics and various other programs that they are eligible for,) and rich people can buy whatever platinum plan they want (or multiple,) it is the people that have to choose between paying their mortgage or paying their premiums for their top-tier family plans that suffer. I only say this because I know you will try to frame this as an issue of lazy homeless people not getting medical coverage, this is rarely the case (in fact almost never.) It is single lower middle class people -large family upper middle class people that suffer the most.

30 million without insurance? But we were told Obamacare ended all that?!

Quote: AZDuffman

30 million without insurance? But we were told Obamacare ended all that?!

An idiot would believe that.

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: Gandler

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: Gandler

Quote: Tanko

Cheaper, certainly not better, and the wait times are months longer.

When Mick Jagger needed an aortic valve replacement six years, he could have had the surgery anywhere in the world, but he chose to have it in NYC.

That year, he was one of the nearly two-million annual medical tourists who come to the US every year to receive medical treatment.

His brother commented "At least he has not got to wait in line for the NHS".

'NHS cancer patients denied supportive treatments'

'Canadian doctors accused of pushing medically assisted death on patients'

"‘You really should consider MAID. You’re not living. You’re just existing.’

'Canadian mom, 57, diagnosed with aggressive stomach cancer was told to consider assisted suicide by doctors who said country's universal healthcare system could not save her'

She received life prolonging treatment in Baltimore at her own expense, and is currently in remission.

In Canada she was told she had as little as two months to live, but they were not sure they could get her an appointment with an oncologist before then.

Yes, and I can list pages of horror stories of Americans who die after being denied approval from insurance, or who stop taking meds, etc.... The old saying plural of acedote is not evidence, the overall stats are what matters, and Canada and UK are much stronger than us (and those are not even the best examples, though they may be the most relatable.)

The point is that socialized medicine is not a place you can just pick and get all the care you want, there is approval same as in any system. Difference is here we have more choice.

We do and we don't, if you are one of the 30ish million Americans with no insurance your choices are nonexistent, if you are one of the 250ish million with very poor health insurance (in most cases may as well be none,) your choices are virtually nonexistent. Only a select few have more choice.

And, ironically, a point very few talk about the people with choice are the very rich and the very poor, people in the middle suffer the most, poor people have great coverage between Medicare (which is actually really good,) and Medicaid (not to mention many free charity clinics and various other programs that they are eligible for,) and rich people can buy whatever platinum plan they want (or multiple,) it is the people that have to choose between paying their mortgage or paying their premiums for their top-tier family plans that suffer. I only say this because I know you will try to frame this as an issue of lazy homeless people not getting medical coverage, this is rarely the case (in fact almost never.) It is single lower middle class people -large family upper middle class people that suffer the most.

30 million without insurance? But we were told Obamacare ended all that?!

Nobody said it would drop to zero, Obamacare made it drop to an all time low which is a great improvement, but it's still too many people. It would be better if they made it single payer or at least a public option, but at least it was better than before.

Quote: Gandler

Nobody said it would drop to zero, Obamacare made it drop to an all time low which is a great improvement, but it's still too many people. It would be better if they made it single payer or at least a public option, but at least it was better than before.

The left really had to abandon single payer unfortunately. But for anyone who remembers the ACA was quite a chore to get passed as it was.

Okay, armchair and keyboard healthcare warriors. Come with a healthcare system that moves the US from dead last...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/health/health-care-rankings-high-income-nations-commonwealth-report/index.html

Quote: GenoDRPh

Okay, armchair and keyboard healthcare warriors. Come with a healthcare system that moves the US from dead last...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/health/health-care-rankings-high-income-nations-commonwealth-report/index.html

Start by using a source that is not Chicken Noodle News.