The Trump Arrest thread

Quote: Evenbob

He won't be a felon for long because the Supreme Court will overturn this 9 to 0. It's a done deal, every legal scholar on both sides says this trial is so flawed they don't know where to start. The judges instructions to the jury could have been done on The Simpsons by Krusty the Klown..

The Supreme Court can't do anything until all of the state appellate processes have ended. So, maybe by 2027.

Quote: Evenbob

Quote: DoubleGold

Quote: Evenbob

This one shows up by a 6 point "approval boost" but still too early yet IMO.

We might see it jump to 30 points when the judge locks him up since it'll be reversed anyway.

Might as well get the best bang for the taxpayer buck while the getting is good.

Trump is the master at getting millions and millions in free publicity out of the media, it happened in 2016 and it's happening here. Trump will be in the news all day every day from now till election day. If this had been a ho-hum hung jury, it would have been the worst thing for Trump and the best thing for the Democrats. People would have forgotten about this immediately and now Trump is a folk hero on steroids. People who hated his guts when he was president are coming out of the woodwork to support him. It's like he had this whole thing planned. LOL Alan Dershowitz says that Trump's defense was weak and he wonders if it was done on purpose. For one thing why did they allow the prosecutors to get the final word, that never happens. It's like Trump's team wanted them to have the final word because there was a better chance the jury would find a guilty verdict.

Nobody who hated his guts is coming out of the woodwork to support him. Some people are bringing up concerns with the trial, this is not supporting him politically.

As for prosecutors getting the final word, it varies by State, but check NY, that is probably how it works there, it is not some grand conspiracy. Trump can afford a better defense than almost any other American, if there was something not right, and they disagreed, it would have been brought up.....

I agree that Trump is a master at getting millions in free advertising, this is not something to be lauded, he is a professional troll with a low IQ fan base that is impressed by his antics.

Quote: OnceDear

Just as his first term was about wrecking everything achieved by Obama, just out of spite,...

Not out of spite.

Among other reasons, Trump opposed Obamacare because he knew it would end up making health insurance less affordable, and shift the burden of medicaid to the states.

Since 2014 when Obamacare was fully implemented, Federal spending of taxpayer dollars on Medicaid, more than doubled from $301 billion annually, to $616 billion in 2023.

During that same ten-year period, the insurance premiums for a family of four increased 47%.

"In 2024, according to NY Health Exchange, the average monthly health insurance premium for a Family (2 parents + 1 child) is $2237 a month at the Bronze level, representing a 17.9% increase from 2023. This increase is a record in a decade."

Trump opposed Obama’s Iran nuclear deal because it limited inspections of their facilities to only those mentioned in the agreement.

Any sites deemed ‘suspicious’ by the US could not be inspected without Iranian permission, which the Iranians said they would never give, and required a thirty-day notice.

Quote: Evenbob

For one thing why did they allow the prosecutors to get the final word, that never happens.

NONSENSE!

Absolutely and proveably TOTALLY WRONG. It's just another one of drumphs lies being repeated by his cult... and by EvenBob.

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/59272/why-does-the-prosecutor-get-both-the-first-and-the-last-word-at-trial

"In the U.S., rules of court have the prosecutor in a criminal trial giving the first opening statement, followed by the defense's opening statement; and then the final closing statement, after the defense's closing statement."

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-trial-05-28-24/h_f15b6c5c9df69bbff75ec45018048d0a

Here's where idiot No# 1 realised that that is the order of business and started the lie on the laughably named truth social...
"“WHY IS THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT ALLOWED TO MAKE THE FINAL ARGUMENT IN THE CASE AGAINST ME? WHY CAN’T THE DEFENSE GO LAST? BIG ADVANTAGE, VERY UNFAIR. WITCH HUNT! DJT”

His cult sucked it up like every other drop of kool-aid, just as EB believed and re-propagated it.

Incidentally, note how drumph claimed 'the government' had the last word? What's the government got to do with it? It was the prosecution that made the final argument and the JURY had the final word..... 34 times.

Quote: Evenbob

He won't be a felon for long because the Supreme Court will overturn this 9 to 0. It's a done deal, every legal scholar on both sides says this trial is so flawed they don't know where to start. The judges instructions to the jury could have been done on The Simpsons by Krusty the Klown..

Good lord.

I can smell EB’s flop sweat from here.

Those checks to Cohen came from Trump's personal check book. NYS law does not require personal checks to be recorded. Not the name of the person receiving the check, or the purpose of the payment.

Trump did not take a tax write-off for the payments.

Secondly, there was no election interference.

Paying someone not to reveal damaging information before an election is not election interference. Even if there was election interference, the federal statute of limitations ran out three years ago.

The DOJ recognized this and refused to prosecute Trump. Even Bragg initially declined to pursue the case.

He picked it up again after Colangelo took a pay cut and quit the DOJ to join the Manhattan DA's office.

The convictions will be overturned at the federal level. NYS Appeals Court judges cannot be trusted.

CNN legal guru says New York Trump prosecutors 'contorted the law', case was 'unjustified mess'

'A guilty verdict doesn’t make it all pure and right'

Quote: Tanko

Those checks to Cohen came from Trump's personal check book. NYS law does not require personal checks to be recorded. Not the name of the person receiving the check, or the purpose of the payment.

They came from his revocable Trust account. IANAL, but a trust has similarities to a corportation in that it is a legal entity subject to some rules and requirements.

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Trump did not take a tax write-off for the payments.

Why would he? It was not his money. It was the money owned by his revocable trust ( Yes he was grantor and beneficiary of the trust, but so what?) Legal retainers, he could have taken a tax deduction, but disbursements, not so. The fact that he didn't is an implicit acknowledgement that these were not a retainer but a reimbursement of a disbursement AKA a payoff.

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Secondly, there was no election interference.

Did someone say there was? I thought the contributions were disguised illegal campaign contributions..... Illegally disguised by drumph and Cohen in a conspiracy to do so.

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Paying someone not to reveal damaging information before an election is not election interference.

and? drumph's legal team should have spotted that? Were they asleep?

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Federal statute of limitations ran out three years ago.

Now, that's a complex issue impacted by drumph changing residency. Let the lawyers argue that. Why haven't they?

The DOJ recognized this and refused to prosecute Trump. Even Bragg initially declined to pursue the case.

Quote: Tanko

Those checks to Cohen came from Trump's personal check book. NYS law does not require personal checks to be recorded. Not the name of the person receiving the check, or the purpose of the payment.

Trump did not take a tax write-off for the payments.

Secondly, there was no election interference.

Paying someone not to reveal damaging information before an election is not election interference. Even if there was election interference, the federal statute of limitations ran out three years ago.

The DOJ recognized this and refused to prosecute Trump. Even Bragg initially declined to pursue the case.

He picked it up again after Colangelo took a pay cut and quit the DOJ to join the Manhattan DA's office.

The convictions will be overturned at the federal level. NYS Appeals Court judges cannot be trusted.

CNN legal guru says New York Trump prosecutors 'contorted the law', case was 'unjustified mess'

After listening to some judges discuss this last evening, I don't think it will be overturned.

Quote: rxwine

After listening to some judges discuss this last evening, I don't think it will be overturned.

It will be argued and wrangled over for years. drumph should be time served or dead by the time it's resolved. Meanwhile some Republican President or other will have issued his pardon and the question will be moot.
Drumph does not count the trial verdict. Only thing that he counts is the voting public's verdict. If they don't give him the election result he needs, then it will be more bleating and dog-whistles to his mob. If he gets the presidency, then you are all screwed as he will have only one agenda.

Quote: OnceDear

Meanwhile some Republican President or other will have issued his pardon and the question will be moot.

Presidents can’t pardon state crimes.

It will come down to the crooked SCOTUS to save his orange ass.