Is it worth nuclear war?

Quote: Gandler

I don't understand the obsession with ethnic makeup.

If they are concerned about low birth rates and low projected population (which I don't think is something worth worrying about, but I accept that people do), they should want anyone.

They are not into replacement. They want their country to retain the makeup that it has. See, not every place wants to accept all comers. They see the problems of places like Sweden who have accepted people from incompatible cultures.

News is Putin has sent a submarine into the artic to violate nuclear arms test usage. It has a torpedo capable of 1000ft high nuclear tsunamis that can wipe out costal cities.

Nothing confirmed as yet.

The idea that he might conduct a nuclear test doesn't seem out of line with actual possibilities.

Quote: AZDuffman

They are not into replacement. They want their country to retain the makeup that it has. See, not every place wants to accept all comers. They see the problems of places like Sweden who have accepted people from incompatible cultures.

Well, if that mentality leads to invading a country because you like their ethnic makeup, that makes that mentality even more absurd.

Putin ain't using nukes
Europe would view it as an attack on the Europe itself
You can't contain radiation
Europe knew about Chernobyl before Russia would admit anything because you can't contain radiation.
Putin was stupid to attack Ukraine but he isn't stupid enough to go to nukes.

Autocrats having everything at their beck and call doesn't seem to be enough for most of them. Gotta go out and make trouble to keep from being bored.

Quote: Gandler

Well, if that mentality leads to invading a country because you like their ethnic makeup, that makes that mentality even more absurd.

It is for the most part a the common "mentality" around the world. Go to Asia and suggest they allow other ethnic groups in, see how far you get. Do the same in Africa. Not everyone is woke. Ethnic mixing does not work in most places.

Quote: rxwine

News is Putin has sent a submarine into the artic to violate nuclear arms test usage. It has a torpedo capable of 1000ft high nuclear tsunamis that can wipe out costal cities.

Nothing confirmed as yet.

The idea that he might conduct a nuclear test doesn't seem out of line with actual possibilities.

What news?

Quote: DRich

What news?

News I read.

Quote: AZDuffman

It is for the most part a the common "mentality" around the world. Go to Asia and suggest they allow other ethnic groups in, see how far you get. Do the same in Africa. Not everyone is woke. Ethnic mixing does not work in most places.

The idea that it does not work causes it not to work. When you live in a county that systemically casts others as outsiders or threats, everyone is going to be against them, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Quote: Gandler

The idea that it does not work causes it not to work. When you live in a county that systemically casts others as outsiders or threats, everyone is going to be against them, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

No, it does not work. You do not get this because you live in a society where it unusually mostly works. Has nothing to do with "casting as outsiders." It is about outsiders not fitting in. Ever see some YT videos of Japan? It is all very orderly. They have unmanned automats where people clean up after themselves. In the USA they would be trashed in an hour. Let enough outsiders in and they would be trashed. And that is only one thing. How do you think an atheist like yourself would fit in society in Saudi Arabia?

It need not be a society like those. Here in the USA we had "white flight" when neighborhoods changed. Today we have "black flight" as those same neighborhoods gentrify. The societies just do not mix.

Really, it is the default. Woke societies who ignore this will sooner or later no longer be societies.