General Election 2024

Quote: ams288

Donny once again got confused tonight and said Obama is president. How many times is that now?

But yeah, tell me all about Biden flubbing the president of Mexico or Turkey or whatever country that was…

Both candidates flub and get confused almost every time they speak. It's so funny when Donny tries to explain it as some sort of deliberate humour. Any sane person would shrug and just be more careful next time. What chance that either could make rational big decisions when TSHTF?
It's obvious that neither is fit to take the enormous pressure and responsibility of being President.

Trump will get the role. The momentum is unstoppable. And it will be the biggest disaster for the US and for the world in living memory, because he will have all his cronies around him to keep adults out of the room, unlike last time where there were some professionals.


If by some miracle Biden gets back in, the 2024 election will carry on being contested until 2028 just like the 2020 election is still being contested by the insane MAGAs

Didn't it used to be that 'the economy' drove election results more than anything else? Well, your economy is booming!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/us-economy-grew-solid-3-2-in-fourth-quarter-a-slight-downgrade-from-government-s-initial-estimate/ar-BB1j2ND2

"The combination of easing inflation and sturdy hiring and GDP growth has raised hopes the Fed can pull off a rare "soft landing'' — vanquishing inflation without causing a recession."

Quote: OnceDear

Didn't it used to be that 'the economy' drove election results more than anything else? Well, your economy is booming!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/us-economy-grew-solid-3-2-in-fourth-quarter-a-slight-downgrade-from-government-s-initial-estimate/ar-BB1j2ND2

"The combination of easing inflation and sturdy hiring and GDP growth has raised hopes the Fed can pull off a rare "soft landing'' — vanquishing inflation without causing a recession."

"The economy" is usually a bigger part of the equation than it is right now--it is only March--but the President is having a hard time selling the "boom" because their messaging is not concrete and the "boom" is impacting upper middle and upper class people way more than the voters in the lower middle class. Someone who has "enough" will say inflation is bad, but they won't suffer much because of it and their investments are growing because of the "boom." They are not extremely excited about the economy, but they will not count it against the President.

There is a whole segment of the country that is feeling none of that; their wages have not kept pace with inflation, they have little in investments to see growing, and everything costs more. Yes, gas is cheaper than it was at the high point, but those darn grocery bills pile up. They don't "feel" the boom and the they don't believe in "Bidenomics." It hasn't helped them...they are in the same place barely or even behind where they were pre-Covid.

The President's messaging on most issues sounds kind of aloof. "I'm getting this done" instead of "this is how I am helping you." They just haven't hit a good stride in communicating many, many points. That is an issue that can be addressed and messaging made better. He has nearly a billion dollars to spend on the election while his opponent is using lots of campaign funding to fight legal battles (which seems to be legal). President Biden should be able to turn the corner on this if he uses the right people.

That Trump is even close shows the weakness in the Biden campaign. Yes, there is a percentage of people that are "Always Trumpers" but there are enough who may vote for him but do not like him simply because it seems to them that the Biden presidency is not really working.

Quote: RonC

That Trump is even close shows the weakness in the Biden campaign. Yes, there is a percentage of people that are "Always Trumpers" but there are enough who may vote for him but do not like him simply because it seems to them that the Biden presidency is not really working.

Biden's, and the Dem's comms don't show much sign of getting better. 2024 is their's to lose, and the clock is ticking. No sign of them getting their ar53s in gear.

'The economy' takes a long time to cheer people up but not long to depress them and it's doing well considering where it's coming back from.

drumpf is battling massive legal and financial distracting issues but he still finds the energy to keep up the comms which should, but don't hurt him. It seems that really no publicity is bad publicity for him. Imagine a guy that has to boast that he can pass multiple cognitive tests, where the voters should wonder why he sees fit to take them and boast about them. Obama, Clinton, every other presidential candidate ever, did not need to try to prove they had functional brains, let alone try to disprove that they were addled.

These are such extraordinary times. How many election cycles do you reckon it will be before normal boring prosperity returns.... Or will this next one be the last one where there's any semblance of free and fair election. If drumpf gets his way, they will be free and fair like in Russia.

Quote: OnceDear

These are such extraordinary times. How many election cycles do you reckon it will be before normal boring prosperity returns.... Or will this next one be the last one where there's any semblance of free and fair election. If drumpf gets his way, they will be free and fair like in Russia.

I think 2028 will be a whole new game and by 2026, people will be thinking about how to make things better no matter who wins this election. Trump has shown a massive ability to support crappy candidates and lose elections, other than his (but he has only won one of two!), to people that should not have won. He could lose the Congress, House and Senate, this year in the best year for Republicans to win a few years. That would make him a total lame duck for four years. Biden winning may get a few more things passed but he will lose seats in the Congress in 2026.

The one good thing about Trump is, in spite of those who seem to be in lockstep with him, he is the one and only Trump.

Your righties and lefties will all agonize over how horrible the candidates are in 2028 but I think that it will start the process of going back to more normal times.

Overall, I am much less concerned about the person who becomes President--they have a set time limit--than I am about the huge failing of our Congress. They are so focused on being important that they forget how important they truly are. Their inability to be a true deliberative body is ridiculous and seems to get worse each term. If we just kept them from gaining riches in office maybe the they would not stay around so long. The more they don't do, the more power that goes to someone else...the President, bureaucrats, lobbyists, etc. They aren't supposed to pass everything for any President but they are supposed to keep the government funded and make sound laws.

Quote: RonC

Trump has shown a massive ability to support crappy candidates and lose elections

He supports toadies. Anyone willing to be one. Since his strongest base seems to favor him as a "strongman" type he can't sell them because they aren't.

...I say this, because a lot of the people who have broken away from him would actually follow many similar policies. They don't break with him over most policy.

Quote: OnceDear

Didn't it used to be that 'the economy' drove election results more than anything else?

If it did, Trump would have been re-elected in a landslide.

Demographics drive election results more than anything else in the US.

Quote: OnceDear

Well, your economy is booming!

Ya think?

GDP does not measure the health of an economy when it is pumped up by increasing government, corporate and personal debt.

US national debt is $34 trillion

Personal debt $1.7 trillion

Business bankruptcy filings in our booming economy were up 40% in 2023, and non-business filings were up 16%.

Corporate debt defaults in our booming economy were up 80% in 2023.

Credit card delinquencies in our booming economy were up 50% in 2023.

Thirty-eight million Americans living in poverty in our booming economy. Up four million since 2019, when the poverty rate was at an all time low of 10.5%. Currently 12.4%

Adjusted for inflation, incomes are slightly down, and the savings rate in our booming economy has fallen from 6% to 3.4%

Reported food inflation in our booming economy is 25% since 2019. It is higher than that. The BLS is cooking the books.

They used to calculate the CPI using a basket of goods to reflect the changes in costs to maintain the same standard of living. Today, in order to depress the actual rate of inflation, they use a cost of living index which only shows the changes in how much consumers are spending and the effect of the substitutions they are forced to make in order to put food on the table. Paying more for a lower standard of living.

Milk is up 43% since 2019

Dozen eggs up 80%

Bread up 36%

Sirloin up 71%

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Quote: Mission146

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Quote: Mission146

This is so ridiculous! The Democrats truly deserve whatever they get, at this point. I know they're floating the ability for individual states to remove Trump from the ballot, but Biden won Colorado by 13.5% and Illinois by 17%; the only thing they are doing is continuing to make Trump a sympathetic figure.

He had a fair trial, with a fair result. The Supreme Court may overrule it, but the State assessed their requirements against Trump's actions. Personally I am getting more sympathetic with the argument that he was engaged in insurrection. Will this change the mind of magas? No, but nothing will, that is not the point. If you think being nice to Trump will change the mind of magas, you are living in an alternative reality. It is not a matter of political expedience, it is a matter of holding him responsible for his actions (or inactions.)

It's about not making Trump a sympathetic figure and causing fence-sitters or supporters he might have otherwise lost to vote for him; it's not about trying to sway hardcore MAGA folks the other way. The Democrats would be more effective, in this regard, by doing nothing.

But, it is not the Democrats doing this, it was an independent judicial decision.

Yeah, sure.

After establishing world peace, Trump needs to sacrifice himself by paying down the debt.

It'll cause a bunch of issues, but the board rooms need to be cleaned out.

Otherwise, the interest on the federal debt is going to kill us.


I don't see it in the cards.

The probability is super-low.

Quote: Tanko

If it did, Trump would have been re-elected in a landslide.

Demographics drive election results more than anything else in the US.



Ya think?

GDP does not measure the health of an economy when it is pumped up by increasing government, corporate and personal debt.

US national debt is $34 trillion

Personal debt $1.7 trillion

Business bankruptcy filings in our booming economy were up 40% in 2023, and non-business filings were up 16%.

Corporate debt defaults in our booming economy were up 80% in 2023.

Credit card delinquencies in our booming economy were up 50% in 2023.

Thirty-eight million Americans living in poverty in our booming economy. Up four million since 2019, when the poverty rate was at an all time low of 10.5%. Currently 12.4%

Adjusted for inflation, incomes are slightly down, and the savings rate in our booming economy has fallen from 6% to 3.4%

Reported food inflation in our booming economy is 25% since 2019. It is higher than that. The BLS is cooking the books.

They used to calculate the CPI using a basket of goods to reflect the changes in costs to maintain the same standard of living. Today, in order to depress the actual rate of inflation, they use a cost of living index which only shows the changes in how much consumers are spending and the effect of the substitutions they are forced to make in order to put food on the table. Paying more for a lower standard of living.

Milk is up 43% since 2019

Dozen eggs up 80%

Bread up 36%

Sirloin up 71%

Yet, I will not trust the stats coming out of the Trump administration after all the new appointments and firings. Because I don't trust the people that will be working for him to tell the truth under him. Give it about 6 months to 2 years for him to extablish enough lackey controls.