Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade?

The rightwing is enjoying the discussion of personal files of Hunter Biden which were intentionally leaked and never intended to be public whereas the Supreme Court was eventually going make their ruling public. Not exactly classified stuff either.

That's why I yawn over the outrage.

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Because religious beliefs are so weak no conservative judge takes them seriously, or what? What do you mean?

I mean that they follow the law not their religion. Liberal justices tend to follow liberal doctrine over the law.

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I mean that they follow the law not their religion. Liberal justices tend to follow liberal doctrine over the law.

That is a non sequitur, there is no "liberal doctrine", there is prescriptive religious doctrines however, and its every easy to see when it is leading to legal conclusions, or proposed bills, etc... When a legal body is aligned with a specific Chruch (Catholic Church lets say), and they make decisions in favor of that Church, you can draw the parallels.

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That is a non sequitur, there is no "liberal doctrine", there is prescriptive religious doctrines however, and its every easy to see when it is leading to legal conclusions, or proposed bills, etc... When a legal body is aligned with a specific Chruch (Catholic Church lets say), and they make decisions in favor of that Church, you can draw the parallels.

There is absolutely a liberal doctrine. Currently it includes:

White men bad
Straight white men really bad
No difference between men and women
Gender can be changed at will
Abortion must be allowed to the moment of birth
Illegal Aliens more important than citizens

And so on. Note that liberals on the court basically never vote against what liberal doctrine states at that particular moment.

As to your second point, what decision is being made "in favor of that church?" The abortion law in question does not have any church as a plaintiff or defendant. Thus I have no idea what you are talking about.

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There is absolutely a liberal doctrine. Currently it includes:

White men bad
Straight white men really bad
No difference between men and women
Gender can be changed at will
Abortion must be allowed to the moment of birth
Illegal Aliens more important than citizens

And so on. Note that liberals on the court basically never vote against what liberal doctrine states at that particular moment.

As to your second point, what decision is being made "in favor of that church?" The abortion law in question does not have any church as a plaintiff or defendant. Thus I have no idea what you are talking about.

Yeah, that is not the liberal doctrine. And none of those (with the exception of illegal aliens and abortion) are really Court issues. If you cited some socialist organization, and said "This is the Doctrine of the Socialists of America" and showed that they had a majority on some Court that would be a reasonable argument, but its not.

You can make decisions in favor of Catholic Doctrine, without the Church being a member. For the Supreme Court, its the final say, if they overturn protections for abortions. In Roe v. Wade, The Church was also not a party.
https://www.oyez.org/cases/1971/70-18


Here is the thing, if conservatives want women who lose their pregnancy evaluated regularly to see if they got an abortion or it was a miscarriage, which is a massive invasion of privacy, conservatives have no right to complain about vaccine mandates being an invasion of rights ever again.... The invasion of privacy is not even close...

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Yeah, that is not the liberal doctrine. And none of those (with the exception of illegal aliens and abortion) are really Court issues. If you cited some socialist organization, and said "This is the Doctrine of the Socialists of America" and showed that they had a majority on some Court that would be a reasonable argument, but its not.

Sorry, but it is. Look at what liberals support. Look what comes out of their mouths and Twitter feeds.

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You can make decisions in favor of Catholic Doctrine, without the Church being a member. For the Supreme Court, its the final say, if they overturn protections for abortions. In Roe v. Wade, The Church was also not a party.
https://www.oyez.org/cases/1971/70-18

SO WHAT? Lots of people understand minimizing abortions is just about human decency. For crying out loud, there will be millions of people and institutions favor one way or another.

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Sorry, but it is. Look at what liberals support. Look what comes out of their mouths and Twitter feeds.



SO WHAT? Lots of people understand minimizing abortions is just about human decency. For crying out loud, there will be millions of people and institutions favor one way or another.

"What liberals support" (not all by the way or even most), is not "liberal doctrine". Doctrine is a specific set of policies and goals of an organization (or individual), "liberals" are not an organization. For example you can go on Trump's website and see "Trump's Doctrine" or AOC's website and see her doctrine. Catholic Doctrine is easy (Bible and Church mandates).

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"What liberals support" (not all by the way or even most), is not "liberal doctrine". Doctrine is a specific set of policies and goals of an organization (or individual), "liberals" are not an organization. For example you can go on Trump's website and see "Trump's Doctrine" or AOC's website and see her doctrine. Catholic Doctrine is easy (Bible and Church mandates).

I am using the term loosely. And sorry, but there are positions you must take if you are going to be a good little liberal. Limbaugh used to point it out great. And pretty much all liberals in either politics or pop culture subscribe to the same set of beliefs. In politics if a lib does not toe the line they do not get funding to run for re-election and do not get any support to propose bills or amendments of their own. In pop culture if they do not toe the line the liberal establishment will do all they can to destroy them.

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I am using the term loosely. And sorry, but there are positions you must take if you are going to be a good little liberal. Limbaugh used to point it out great. And pretty much all liberals in either politics or pop culture subscribe to the same set of beliefs. In politics if a lib does not toe the line they do not get funding to run for re-election and do not get any support to propose bills or amendments of their own. In pop culture if they do not toe the line the liberal establishment will do all they can to destroy them.

And, the same with the GOP, not a Trump fan, you get outed.

However, polling actual Americans show a much wide variety of views (in both parties). However, nobody can come out and say "I don't like Trump", or "maybe we should look at how sports are separated more" etc...

This is more an issue with the two party system.

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And, the same with the GOP, not a Trump fan, you get outed.

Really? You never heard of the "never-Trump" wing? They are all over. They risk losing votes for not supporting their POTUS, as it should be.