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Ukraine conflict
| April 11th, 2022 at 7:10:43 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, and Sweden are members of European Union, but not of NATO. Quick Reference table showing year they entered NATO 1949 United States Not EU 1949 Canada Not EU .. 1949 United Kingdom Not EU 1949 Iceland Not EU 1949 Norway Not EU 1952 Turkey Not EU 2009 Albania Not EU 2017 Montenegro Not EU 2020 North Macedonia Not EU .. 1949 Belgium EU 1949 Denmark EU 1949 France EU 1949 Italy EU 1949 Luxembourg EU 1949 Netherlands EU 1949 Portugal EU 1952 Greece EU 1955 Germany EU 1982 Spain EU 1999 Czech Republic EU 1999 Hungary EU 1999 Poland EU 2004 Bulgaria EU 2004 Estonia EU 2004 Latvia EU 2004 Lithuania EU 2004 Romania EU 2004 Slovakia EU 2004 Slovenia EU 2009 Croatia EU Not Nato Austria EU Not Nato Cyprus EU Not Nato Finland EU Not Nato Ireland EU Not Nato Malta EU Not Nato Sweden EU |
| April 15th, 2022 at 4:19:14 AM permalink | |
| odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 165 Posts: 6378 | yet this could also be Russian input. It seems they want division, division, division ... so let the Left get worked up about Russians favoring Trump, that's good, it's not important that they thus defuse Trump's influence if they really want Trump to succeed [debatable] ... it's the division that's important I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me] |
| April 15th, 2022 at 4:22:40 AM permalink | |
| odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 165 Posts: 6378 | the Neptune missile(s] that sank the Russian ship [a disputed claim] are Ukrainian. They got the know-how from "the Soviet Kh-35" which maybe they helped manufacture I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me] |
| April 15th, 2022 at 5:31:53 AM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22942 |
Pretty sure US and all NATO were keeping the Ukrainians updated on the geolocation of that ship which would be quite helpful. "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP. |
| April 15th, 2022 at 9:59:04 AM permalink | |
| missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 160 Posts: 5496 |
You bet they are. The US may not have boots on the ground in Ukraine but we're sharing our satellite surveillance / drone intelligence with them. Speaking of drones... I know that the US doesn't want to pit our soldiers directly against Putin's but I see a lot of gray area where in fact we are instrumental in affecting the outcome. The first thing (other than surveillance) that comes to mind is the notion of armed drones; I recall when we went to Afghanistan we used predator drones (and maybe other types of drone?) to blow stuff up, and it was all remotely controlled by some techie guy in Nevada, on a base; why not have a Ukrainian techie behind the joystick today instead of an American? |
| April 15th, 2022 at 12:07:43 PM permalink | |
| Tanko Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 0 Posts: 2470 | Ukrainian experts worry sunken Russian warship was carrying nukes "TV presenter Olga Skabeyeva said in Rossiya 1 that “what it’s escalated into can safely be called World War III,” adding that “now we’re definitely fighting against NATO infrastructure, if not NATO itself. We need to recognize that,” the Mirror reported." "Military commentator Dmitry Drozdenko reportedly said on state-run Channel 1: “In actual fact, a full-scale multi-level war is underway with the collective West. And the West has long been preparing for the war.” |
| April 15th, 2022 at 2:32:36 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 | Scott Adams agrees with a bunch of generals who believe that this is now a war of supply lines and who can starve out the other Army first. The professional opinion is Russia will win that war because they have an almost unlimited supply of just about everything and a lot more ways to deliver it than the Ukrainians do. Putin never wanted to take Kiev, he knew he couldn't hold it even if he took it. He got what he wanted and is never giving it back. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| April 18th, 2022 at 4:36:06 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 30 Posts: 5258 |
I was not sure if all of the Generals were right, but now that Scott Adams agrees with them, they must be. Supply lines are a pretty advanced military concept that Generals do not understand, its a good thing that he has enlightened the world. As for Russia winning that depends on your definition of winning. They will not be trusted by the world for another generation (this is a trend for them), so I guess well done? -regardless of how this war ends- Though they are losing by metrics that matter, Ukraine is winning by kill count (even if you count civilians killed by Russia), so not great for such a superior country, Ukraine is winning by global support, Ukraine is winning by economic aid..... Even if Russia ends up with the Donbas, it will not be worth it, because they will have inflicted more economic damage to their country that whatever they will gain from more oil/gas...... Russia is losing customers every day, they already lost the war, even if they take the full Ukraine (which they will not). |
| April 18th, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4530 |
The aid that Ukraine is receiving isn't even close to covering the billions in infrastructure they are losing. Airports, highways, bridges, housing .... It will take decades for Ukraine to recover even if they manage to hang onto parts of the country. This is a much higher cost than Russia is paying in military expenses. If they hang onto their sovereignty that can probably be considered a win but on any other metric it is a terrible loss to the country. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| April 18th, 2022 at 5:24:54 PM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4530 |
I did a little searching since my first post and in late March the damage in Ukraine to infrastructure was estimated at $63B it will be at least double that now. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |