Ukraine conflict

February 25th, 2022 at 11:55:03 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: missedhervee
Gee, how surprising (not) that the views of Fox News and Rupert Murdock are congruent.

In their attempts to avoid any credit going to Biden these clowns are showing their true colors, i.e. "yellow."

Yellow should be the new republican color.


What are you talking about? Everyone is giving Biden credit….. 4 years of loony Trump…. No massive Putin aggression…. Biden cracks a year, Kiev is a suburb of Moscow..

To be serious…. We all have been yapping about Putin this, Biden that, but I really don’t know what the correct course of action is right now. Biden apparently did not use sanctions available against the individual Russian oligarchs, like seizing any property they own, kicking Russia out of Interpol, turning off their ability to transfer money, and some other things above my pay grade.

Apparently Europe is de facto mostly ok with ceding the Ukraine to Putin as long as they keep getting their energy supplies uninterrupted.


What should our response be?
February 25th, 2022 at 12:09:32 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: SOOPOO
What should our response be?


Were I czar of the USA, I would be in agreement with Biden that Ukraine does not warrant direct American intervention, i.e. no American soldiers on the ground or American pilots flying against Russia in Ukraine.

This is a proxy war, of sorts.

Putin is trying a naked power grab to cement his legacy in history; he hopes to be known in the future as "Putin the Great."

Whether Putin takes all of Ukraine or just the disputed areas in the east, there needs to be "hell to pay" in the form of truly painful sanctions.

Prohibit, at least for awhile, any Russians from coming to the west, and prohibit travel to Russia; block Russia's access to Western financial and product markets; create funny, insulting anti-Putin memes for the Russian populace to embrace.

That poison, i.e. Putin, needs to ousted by his own people, if he's to be ousted at all.
February 25th, 2022 at 12:44:06 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: missedhervee
Were I czar of the USA, I would be in agreement with Biden that Ukraine does not warrant direct American intervention, i.e. no American soldiers on the ground or American pilots flying against Russia in Ukraine.

This is a proxy war, of sorts.

Putin is trying a naked power grab to cement his legacy in history; he hopes to be known in the future as "Putin the Great."

Whether Putin takes all of Ukraine or just the disputed areas in the east, there needs to be "hell to pay" in the form of truly painful sanctions.

Prohibit, at least for awhile, any Russians from coming to the west, and prohibit travel to Russia; block Russia's access to Western financial and product markets; create funny, insulting anti-Putin memes for the Russian populace to embrace.

That poison, i.e. Putin, needs to ousted by his own people, if he's to be ousted at all.


If anything, Putin needs to be punished for the stupidest excuses to start a war. He wasn't the first, and probably won't be the last though.
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February 25th, 2022 at 1:22:37 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: missedhervee
Gee, how surprising (not) that the views of Fox News and Rupert Murdock are congruent.

In their attempts to avoid any credit going to Biden these clowns are showing their true colors, i.e. "yellow."

Yellow should be the new republican color.


Biden is getting plenty of credit for his weakness.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength
February 25th, 2022 at 1:53:19 PM permalink
missedhervee
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I cannot see me ever agreeing with all moves made by any president.

The important thing is that Biden is standing up to Putin; Trump wanted only to appease the Russian bear.

The real question, the unanswered one in my mind, is what do we actually have now that can be used in the event things quickly go to hell and war with Russia ensues?

What have we got now to counteract the Russian ICBM's, cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles?

If Russia joins with China in launching a simultaneous attack, can we successfully defend against it?

I think, and hope, that we can, using "secret" weapons that we, the people, are currently unaware of.

I recall years ago talking with my uncle, a defense research engineer working on missiles; I asked him what we have in place and he said to the effect "We have now what you will first learn about in twenty years."

Let's hope he was correct, otherwise if it goes to hell in a handbasket we'll be blown to radioactive bits when and if the balloon goes up.
February 25th, 2022 at 1:58:39 PM permalink
JimRockford
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Quote: Tanko
Current global demand for oil is only 300K barrels less per day than it was before the pandemic.

US oil production is down 3 million barrels per day, from its peak in 2019.

Uncertainty over government policy, reduced drilling and exploration investment by 60%.

Oil companies are not about to invest and risk tens of billions of dollars, when a President or a Judge can shut them down with the stroke of a pen.

'Judge Blocks ConnocoPhillips at Huge Alaska Project'

'Federal judge blocks big Gulf of Mexico oil lease sale over climate change concerns'

The article does not mention how many of those leases that Biden approved, after his eight month moratorium, were re-applications for leases previously approved by Trump.

The article does not mention how many of those applications were for already drilled, but incomplete wells. There are 5,957 of them nationally.

Biden only issued drilling permits in the Gulf, after 14 Republican states sued him over his moratorium, and a Judge ruled he must hold lease sales in the Gulf that had already been scheduled.

Another Judge overruled the previous decision and revoked those leases in January, citing ‘Climate Change’. So, that ends that. Which is considered a win for Biden.

Oil and gas provide 39% of the Russian federal budget revenue, and 60% of their export revenues. Thanks to 'Climate Change', those revenues have more than doubled in the past twelve months.


Oil demand has picked up and US oil production has not. We agree on that and you may be right that some of the reluctance to drill is driven by uncertainty in the regulatory environment. I'm not in the industry but it looks more like just a business cycle. Here are a couple of more articles indicating that the oil companies have plenty of options to drill if they want to, but they are choosing to buy back stock and reward their shareholders instead of investing in more drilling at this time.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/oil-well-backlog-shrinks-us-shale-may-upset-investors-drill-more-2021-09-14/

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/oil-gas-industry-stockpiled-drilling-leases-before-biden-pause

The courts were a risk during Trumps time too, and I think the judiciary is more favorable to oil and gas now than before Trump took office due to the huge number of Trump appointees on the bench.

My point is that it is overly simplistic to say that we were energy independent in 2019 and now, because of Biden, we're not. We were always dependent on foreign oil. Biden's moves may eventually have an impact, but I bet they are reversed by a Republican president before they have time to do much damage.
A government of laws and not of men. - John Adam’s
February 25th, 2022 at 1:59:55 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: AZDuffman
Biden is getting plenty of credit for his weakness.



Does Duffman think this cover makes Biden look weak or something?
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
February 25th, 2022 at 3:40:50 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: AZDuffman
Biden is getting plenty of credit for his weakness.



I think that is pretty epic cover art actually. Its a cool design, I don't even see what the issue could be (I also tend to be a sucker for when glasses are used like that, and I like aviator glasses more generally).
February 25th, 2022 at 4:08:45 PM permalink
JimRockford
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Quote: Gandler
Quote: AZDuffman
Biden is getting plenty of credit for his weakness.



I think that is pretty epic cover art actually. Its a cool design, I don't even see what the issue could be (I also tend to be a sucker for when glasses are used like that, and I like aviator glasses more generally).

I was actually thinking of getting aviators for my next pair of sunglasses. Joe Biden made me change my mind.
A government of laws and not of men. - John Adam’s
February 25th, 2022 at 4:27:28 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Joe Cool.

There it is.

Wait ... this just in ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBaSfgNJnE