Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

I’d say Donny has declined way more in the past few years than Biden.

After the 4-times-confirmed Atlantic story about Donny’s bashing of American war heroes broke, they kept showing the video from July 2015 of his attack on John McCain for allowing himself to get captured. It is amazing how much more coherent and faster-speaking Donny was then, just five years ago!

Quote: Mission146

2. So, we should trust the polls that say the polls are lying.

It wasn't polls. It was university studies
and surveys and focus groups that
determined 15% of Trump voters
lied to pollsters about who they
were voting for. Fear was the
main reason, they were afraid they
would be targeted and punished.

Quote: rxwine

Michael Cohen, the best of the best hired personally by Trump thinks, Trump's biggest fear is that if his tax return is released, that there's a whole slew of organizations of accountants and forensic accountants that will rip through it and he will end up with a massive tax bill, fraud penalties, fines and possibly even tax fraud."

Which is kind of stupid because the IRS has already done this. If there was fraud they would have found it.

What would happen is they would go thru it and the left and their media would make an issue of every entry line by line. He is smart not to play their little game.

Quote: Evenbob

It wasn't polls. It was university studies
and surveys and focus groups that
determined 15% of Trump voters
lied to pollsters about who they
were voting for. Fear was the
main reason, they were afraid they
would be targeted and punished.

Link?

I'm mainly curious because the results were not fifteen points off of the polling.

Quote: Mission146

Link?

I'm mainly curious because the results were not fifteen points off of the polling.

Of course it is not 15%. But I believe that Bob’s point about SOME larger number of Trump voters not being honest with the pollsters is valid. Maybe a percent or two more than dishonest Biden (or Clinton last election) voters.

Possibly enough to turn an ‘even’ race in a swing state to Trump.

Quote: SOOPOO

Of course it is not 15%. But I believe that Bob’s point about SOME larger number of Trump voters not being honest with the pollsters is valid.

And I believe Donny drinks the unfiltered piss of Russian hookers.

Why are your unfounded beliefs (or Bob’s) more accurate than anyone else’s?

Quote: SOOPOO

Of course it is not 15%. But I believe that Bob’s point about SOME larger number of Trump voters not being honest with the pollsters is valid. Maybe a percent or two more than dishonest Biden (or Clinton last election) voters.

Possibly enough to turn an ‘even’ race in a swing state to Trump.

Definitely, I don't know if it was this thread or not, but I certainly grant the overall point...just not to 3-7.5x the extent that it's actually true.

Quote: Evenbob

RCP has Biden at 50 and Trump
at 43. We know for a fact 15%
of Trump voters lie to poll takers
and say they're voting for Biden.

So the real numbers are closer
to Trump 58% and Biden 35%.
Which sounds right on the money
with the enthusiasm Trump voters
have.

Just pointing out for math, regardless of whether or not the numbers are accurate,
Adjusting a poll with "15% of trump voters" does not mean that you add the number 15 to trump's percentage and subtract it from Biden's.
.

The boost would be at most 7%, and Biden's number would only drop by that amount if all of those trump voters who were too ashamed to admit it said in the poll that they were voting for biden, not someone else or "no vote"

Quote: Dalex64

Just pointing out for math, regardless of whether or not the numbers are accurate,
Adjusting a poll with "15% of trump voters" does not mean that you add the number 15 to trump's percentage and subtract it from Biden's.
.

The boost would be at most 7%, and Biden's number would only drop by that amount if all of those trump voters who were too ashamed to admit it said in the poll that they were voting for biden, not someone else or "no vote"

Not to mention, if Donny were to get 58% of the vote and Biden gets 35%, I don’t think Biden would carry a single state in that scenario.

Is EB predicting a 538-0 electoral college blowout for Donny? He’s already said Donny will win NY.

For reference, check out the results of the 1984 election, where the margin was 58.8%-40.6%:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_presidential_election

As I predicted back in April, I still believe that Biden will not debate Trump (or, a week or so before, will claim hearing loss and need a "hearing aid", which will actually be an in-ear monitor) BUT, this scenario could also occur:

Biden team requests that, due to Covid, the debates be virtual (this will allow him to use a teleprompter where the answers to debate questions are fed to him) but Trump refuses as he knows what Team Biden is up to - then, Team Biden and the mainstream media all claim Trump refused to debate