Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

Quote: Dalex64

Much like "the fix was in" to give Clinton the Democrat nomination in 2016, the Republican primary process was a sham with an outcome predetermined by the party.

You can't actually believe that the outcome was 'predetermined by the party'! It was predetermined because an overwhelming majority of Republicans are happy with President Trump! (not me...) Just like most Democrats would vote for a potted plant if on the ballot as the Democrat nominee against Trump (Biden IS close to that, actually!), there are tens of millions of Americans who will vote against whichever anti-police, pro rioting, anti white candidate the Democrats put up.

Quote: Evenbob

The 15% fact is not 'made up'. It
comes from surveys and studies
from multiple sources that show
15% of likely voters polled are
afraid to admit to pollsters that
they are voting for Trump and
lie, saying they're voting for
Biden. That's why the polls were
so far off in 16.

Someone should ask EB how “far off” the polls were in 2016.

Hint: nowhere near 15% off.

Quote: SOOPOO

Just like most Democrats would vote for a potted plant if on the ballot as the Democrat nominee against Trump (Biden IS close to that, actually!)

What's wrong with you
You are a Dr
Biden close to a potted plant???????????????
Not even close.
You are so full of BS
Why do you get taken in by right wing extremist propaganda and repeat it here?
What happened to you Soopoo? Seriously?

Quote: ams288

Someone should ask EB how “far off” the polls were in 2016.

Hint: nowhere near 15% off.

My personal experience
Trumpers are loud and proud to support Trump.
No way they lie to a pollster
They want to see Trump crushing in the polls, not losing.

Quote: terapined

Biden close to a potted plant???????????????

Without a teleprompter Biden IS
a potted plant. He's useless.

Quote: SOOPOO

You can't actually believe that the outcome was 'predetermined by the party'! It was predetermined because an overwhelming majority of Republicans are happy with President Trump! (not me...) Just like most Democrats would vote for a potted plant if on the ballot as the Democrat nominee against Trump (Biden IS close to that, actually!), there are tens of millions of Americans who will vote against whichever anti-police, pro rioting, anti white candidate the Democrats put up.

I think it is honestly questionable that donald trump would have won the nomination if a full republican primary process, such as what normally happens during non-incumbent years, were allowed to have played out.

Since there was no full primary process run, the party determined the candidate. That is independent of whether or not the candidate had the support of Republican citizens. For example, for Obama's 2nd term, the party determined the candidate, but there was no doubt that Obama had the support of the Democrat citizens.

2016 was much more egregious, with super-delegates, basically representatives of the party, choosing Clinton. But, the party makes the rules.

An incumbent in modern time has never lost the primary - here are 5 times when there was a challenge
Truman vs. Kefauver (1952)
Johnson vs. McCarthy (1968)
Ford vs. Reagan (1976)
Carter vs. Kennedy (1980)
Bush vs. Buchanan (1992)
https://time.com/5682760/incumbent-presidents-primary-challenges/

But to summarize, yes, in all three of those cases (Obama, Clinton, trump), the party determined the candidate, rather than a full democratic process.

Quote: Dalex64

I think it is honestly questionable that donald trump would have won the nomination if a full republican primary process, such as what normally happens during non-incumbent years, were allowed to have played out.

Since there was no full primary process run, the party determined the candidate. That is independent of whether or not the candidate had the support of Republican citizens. For example, for Obama's 2nd term, the party determined the candidate, but there was no doubt that Obama had the support of the Democrat citizens.

How old are you?

Do you not realize it is very rare for there to be a "full primary" against a sitting POTUS? When it happens it is usually someone trying to make noise or because the party is very disgruntled with the POTUS. To cry that "there was not a full GOP primary in 2020" is making a jerk out of yourself or trolling.

Quote: terapined

What's wrong with you
You are a Dr
Biden close to a potted plant???????????????
Not even close.
You are so full of BS
Why do you get taken in by right wing extremist propaganda and repeat it here?
What happened to you Soopoo? Seriously?

Well.... I don't consider Biden to really be equivalent to a potted plant! I use that as another way of saying he has experienced a serious decline in his mental faculties. The way I explain it.... if he was my retired father-in-law, age 77, the obvious mental decline would not really matter. His inability to stay on task, to respond to difficult questions, to think quickly on his feet, .... would be irrelevant as he enjoyed a nice meal, a walk in the park with his grand daughters, and other such things a declining 77 year old should be enjoying. But Biden is not enjoying his senior years in peace; he is trying to be the most important man on the planet! So, I'll give it to you.... he is closer to being Presidential material than he is to being a potted plant, but not by a lot....

Rasmussen has Trump 47 Biden 46. This
is the first time Trump has lead in a
national poll since Feb. Of course
the real numbers are Trump 62
Biden 31. Trump's job approval
number is higher than Obama's
was on this same date in 2012.

Does Biden realize he looks like
a buffoon/moron in that mask
he constantly wears?

Quote: Evenbob

Rasmussen has Trump 47 Biden 46. This
is the first time Trump has lead in a
national poll since Feb.

Cherry-picking polls is sad.

Especially Rasmussen polls.