Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

Quote: ams288

Donny encourages NC voters to vote twice.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: when righties accuse Dems of “cheating” and “voter fraud,” it is always PROJECTION.

I am curious if anyone ended up breaking down the convictions of voter fraud. I would not be surprised if a disproportionate majority are conservative.

It is very anecdotal, but one election I was hearing about last election (one state) 75% of voter fraud (of course this was just 4 people, so 3 out of 4) were Republicans (ironically trying to prove that you can vote twice).

But, that study that everyone quotes I am guessing if you break it down by party over the last 20 years, I would guess most are Republicans. Of course its a statistical nothing either way, but it would just be fun to show the cons that the 1000 cases of voter fraud (less than 1000 convictions) over the last 20 years (again a laughably nothing number over every election across the country over 20 years....) is still mostly them..... Per capita less than 30% of voter fraud convictions should be Republicans, or else they are disproportionately involved in voter fraud.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx


(Also from my earlier post, the Trump Voting Integrity Commission found no widespread abuse as everyone knows, spoiler, they never found the 5 million illegals that made Trump lose the popular vote...….)
https://apnews.com/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d/Report:-Trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

Quote: Gandler

I am curious if anyone ended up breaking down the convictions of voter fraud. I would not be surprised if a disproportionate majority are conservative.

I would be.

If you are so sure, go do a study.

You keep saying this but nothing to back it up. Same as we kept hearing on this board that libs "knew" Trump was cheating on his taxes but could not offer any ideas on how he did it.

Quote: AZDuffman

I would be.

If you are so sure, go do a study.

You keep saying this but nothing to back it up. Same as we kept hearing on this board that libs "knew" Trump was cheating on his taxes but could not offer any ideas on how he did it.

Besides being the first President to not release his tax returns since 1974 (when the trend started)?

We already have the data, we just need somebody to do the breakdown of convictions of party affiliation.

Quote: Gandler

Besides being the first President to not release his tax returns since 1974 (when the trend started)?

We already have the data, we just need somebody to do the breakdown of convictions of party affiliation.

What does not releasing taxes have to do if he supposedly cheated? The IRS audits him, any cheating would be found. He was smaret to not release them because if he did he would be questioned by liberal press and pols about every little line they did not like.

If we have the data and you are so sure go do it! Otherwise you are just going quack-quack-quack because you think conservatives are evil and hate sharing the world with them.

Quote: AZDuffman

What does not releasing taxes have to do if he supposedly cheated? The IRS audits him, any cheating would be found. He was smaret to not release them because if he did he would be questioned by liberal press and pols about every little line they did not like.

If we have the data and you are so sure go do it! Otherwise you are just going quack-quack-quack because you think conservatives are evil and hate sharing the world with them.

Researching 900-1000 convictions and trying to find the party affiliation from the defendant would take a ton of time, plus if I did it you would not believe the results.... I don't think cons are evil (not even Trump), I do think that at about the same rate or maybe slightly higher than Dems. Plus I am not the one obsessed over the issue.

As for Trump, its pretty ironic, he did not need to release his taxes because they were audited. But, Obama had to release his long firm birth certificate to the world because his background check was not reliable.... I don't you think you realize how hypocritical this is.... But, Trump is basically the walkimg embodiment of hyprocrisy....

Quote: Gandler

Researching 900-1000 convictions and trying to find the party affiliation from the defendant would take a ton of time, plus if I did it you would not believe the results.... I don't think cons are evil (not even Trump), I do think that at about the same rate or maybe slightly higher than Dems. Plus I am not the one obsessed over the issue.

Could have fooled me. You keep bringing it up.

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As for Trump, its pretty ironic, he did not need to release his taxes because they were audited. But, Obama had to release his long firm birth certificate to the world because his background check was not reliable.... I don't you think you realize how hypocritical this is.... But, Trump is basically the walkimg embodiment of hyprocrisy....

Tax returns are not a requirement to be POTUS. Being a natural born citizen is. John McCain also had his eligibility questioned.

Quote: AZDuffman

Could have fooled me. You keep bringing it up.

No, you are the one convinced of widespread voter fraud.
I am pointing out less than 1000 convictions over the whole country over 20 years is a nothing burger... And, even with those numbers I am guessing Republicans are disproportionately involved....

Quote: AZDuffman

Tax returns are not a requirement to be POTUS. Being a natural born citizen is. John McCain also had his eligibility questioned.

Neither is releasing your birth documents to the public.

If Obama did not release his tax returns you would be losing your mind with conspiracies....

Trump is not releasing them for two reasons: He is not as rich as he claims and he gives less to charities than he claims....

Quote: Gandler

No, you are the one convinced of widespread voter fraud.
I am pointing out less than 1000 convictions over the whole country over 20 years is a nothing burger... And, even with those numbers I am guessing Republicans are disproportionately involved....

Have you ever considered most people do not get caught?

And again, why would you think Republicans are disproportionately involved? It is not Republicans who keep fighting against any kind of election security. Republicans fight for more security. In your own words, it is a guess.

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Neither is releasing your birth documents to the public.

If Obama did not release his tax returns you would be losing your mind with conspiracies....

Trump is not releasing them for two reasons: He is not as rich as he claims and he gives less to charities than he claims....

Proving you are a citizen is required. He proved it. I would mainly want to see his tax returns now, to see how he turned a $400,000 a year job into tens of millions.

Tax returns do not show "how rich you are." You are guessing on the charity thing. Probably based on Democrat pols who have historically given very little. Algore was known to be very cheap in this regard.

Across the board conservatives give more than liberals.

Quote: AZDuffman

Have you ever considered most people do not get caught?

And again, why would you think Republicans are disproportionately involved? It is not Republicans who keep fighting against any kind of election security. Republicans fight for more security. In your own words, it is a guess.




Proving you are a citizen is required. He proved it. I would mainly want to see his tax returns now, to see how he turned a $400,000 a year job into tens of millions.

Tax returns do not show "how rich you are." You are guessing on the charity thing. Probably based on Democrat pols who have historically given very little. Algore was known to be very cheap in this regard.

Across the board conservatives give more than liberals.

To quote Clinton:

"So you gotta ask yourself -- why won't he release his tax returns? And I think there may be a couple of reasons. First, maybe he is not as rich as he says he has. Second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be. Third, we don't know all of his business dealings but we have been told through investigative reporting that he owes about six hundred and fifty million dollars to Wall Street and foreign banks. Or maybe he does not want the American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he has paid nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody has ever seen for a couple of years where he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license. And they showed he did not pay any federal income tax. "

The only tax returns that are public record are for his casino application, and they do not look good....



"Here's what we do know about Trump's taxes -- thanks to reporting by The New York Times, among others: On his 1995 tax return, Trump declared a loss of $916 million -- a move that could have allowed him to avoid paying taxes for almost the next two decades. Under IRS law, any business can avoid paying taxes in a given year if it lost money in the previous year."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/15/politics/donald-trump-taxes-tax-returns/index.html



Also, Trump promised to release his tax returns after the audit years ago, so its just one more lie by Trump....

Quote: Gandler

"Here's what we do know about Trump's taxes -- thanks to reporting by The New York Times, among others: On his 1995 tax return, Trump declared a loss of $916 million -- a move that could have allowed him to avoid paying taxes for almost the next two decades. Under IRS law, any business can avoid paying taxes in a given year if it lost money in the previous year."

Any individual or business gets to carry losses forward in their taxes. So the next $916 million he made would be tax free because his net profits over those years would still be net 0. You can avoid paying taxes for the rest of your life Gandler just make sure you lose a billion dollars this year.