First Principles
January 11th, 2020 at 3:31:06 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Yes, because don't forget, God is only responsible for the good things. Free will is why kids get cancer. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
January 11th, 2020 at 3:40:42 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | deleted, wrong question The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
January 11th, 2020 at 3:57:09 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Platitudes? I think I just said we as human beings are responsible for the ruin of our world and the cause of suffering and death. That is pretty bad, but we were made for greatness. You must think the same thing because you believe science will save us in a quasi-religious way. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
January 11th, 2020 at 4:09:47 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Yup. You have an endless supply of them. "God does not cause suffering. God's plan for all of us is perfect and eternal happiness. This is achieved by simply loving God and others.." Sometimes a word definition nails it: plat·i·tude /ˈpladəˌt(y)o͞od/ a remark or statement, especially one with a moral content, that has been used too often to be interesting or thoughtful. All Xtion leaders are stuffed full of platitudes, they dispense them like they actually have meaning. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 12th, 2020 at 5:09:54 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Using your definition of platitude, it seems like all you do. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
January 12th, 2020 at 6:42:30 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Oh? Everyday you greet the sun, hunt for food, fight enemies , protect wives and children, rest comfortably and do it all the next day. Life's pleasures are temporary. Meals, even feasts, are brief, bath water does not stay warm forever, perfumes fade, memories fade, youth and beauty fade, Your longer-term viewpoint does not empower you to dampen the spirits of today by dwelling on eternity. |
January 12th, 2020 at 7:07:28 AM permalink | |
toomuch Member since: Dec 30, 2019 Threads: 0 Posts: 22 | God did the "lifting a rock that can't be lifted" thing when he became Jesus to be under while over, with free will for us to make our own decisions with consequences. In this manner, God is outside (and inside) of things w/o being responsible for every little (or big) thing. God doesn't have to be directly (or indirectly) involved with us to exist, or to have meaning, place and influence. As far as Jesus goes, it’s probable that with so many possible religions that one or a few of them hits on something more than the religious. I used to be amazed at the complexity of some of the religious philosophical writings, at a time before I become more mentally aware later on. For sure, even without considering any religions at all – although, I think, we unknowingly substitute other things for it now – there is still the possibility for an almost infinite number of real such mysteries out there. For example, as humans we may not be at the center in the grand scheme of things, but, perhaps, we are at the middle of the evolutionary process. What could this mean? Just that some things resonant with and in the universe more than others, which has nothing to do per se with forcing things as handwringing, becoming hermits, intellectualizing, having to determine/fudge the end of all arguments, and, etc. Edit: Does God play dice with the universe? You betcha! Were there a God, per se, then there wouldn't be any atheists, to begin with. |
January 12th, 2020 at 8:43:49 AM permalink | |
Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
Didn't introduce the concept? Perhaps not, but he certainly perpetuated that concept in the Old Testament. Not a big fan of those who weren't the, "Chosen People," and if we take the Bible to be true, I guess we can link the concept of tribalism to its roots there. Not exactly a message of peace and God will towards men when the manifestation was that of a burning bush rather than Jesus Christ, I'll tell you that. But, God learned from his mistakes. He wasn't all-loving, but he became so. So much for infallibility, I guess. Yeah, I like the notion of eternal happiness. I like that notion about as much as the notion of a father who smacks his kid in the face for no reason, but apologizes, and promises it will never happen again. "I'll make it up to you tomorrow." And, to the extent that God is first cause, ultimately, God becomes only cause. You can't separate the omnipotence from the free will, because the will isn't free. He created people and set events in motion knowing the result of those events. If he doesn't know the result of events, then the Book of Revelations is nothing more than an educated guess. We can't choose to do anything if we were created with foreknowledge of what each person would do, thereby making free will illusory, at best, and a lie, at worst. Do I offer a dog food only on the condition that he learns and obeys his commands? I think the humane society might take umbrage with that. You feed the dog regardless and hope that he will learn his commands. At least the LDS version of things feeds the dog no matter what, just gives the dog treats if he is well-behaved. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
January 12th, 2020 at 8:56:24 AM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
January 12th, 2020 at 10:07:17 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
My posts have 'moral content'? Really? I had no idea, thanks... If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |