Science and Religion

Quote: FrGamble

This doesn't make any sense; do you want to rephrase it or think about it again.

You said just because an atheist says
there is no god, that doesn't mean
it's true. I said correct, it's the lack
of evidence that makes what the
atheist says true. Just like in court,
if they can't produce evidence you
committed a crime, you're let go.

If there's a god, there would be
evidence. Where is it. Please don't
say there's a billion believers or
mention the BB Theory. A theory
is proof of nothing. Please don't
bring up personal testimony, it's
worthless. You know what real
proof is, and you have none. That's
why atheism is growing so fast,
people are wising up.

Quote: Evenbob

You said just because an atheist says
there is no god, that doesn't mean
it's true. I said correct, it's the lack
of evidence that makes what the
atheist says true.

I guess you need to think about how a lack of something can prove anything.

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If there's a god, there would be
evidence. Where is it. Please don't
say there's a billion believers or
mention the BB Theory. A theory
is proof of nothing. Please don't
bring up personal testimony, it's
worthless. You know what real
proof is, and you have none. That's
why atheism is growing so fast,
people are wising up.

Why is personal testimony worthless?

What about the impossibility of a real infinite regress? This is not too difficult. To not believe in the possibility of God is not logical. Why is there something rather than nothing? You can still not have religious faith or believe in Christianity but your radical atheism, which claims there is not even a possibility of God and your claim that there is no evidence is an offense to atheists, thinking people, and an embarrassment to yourself.

Another evidence is your own thought about reincarnation and universal consciousness. Human beings know in their heart of hearts that there is something more to this life. You know this too and I can point to your faith in these things as evidence that even the hardest of hearts longs for and knows that there is something supernatural and profoundly significant about our lives.

Quote: FrGamble

I guess you need to think about how a lack of something can prove anything.

Lack of evidence is a very good
pointer. It points in one direction
only.

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Why is personal testimony worthless?

Because it lacks physical evidence. It's
just a story and could and probably
does 14 embellishments and 11
jumped to conclusions and 8
misinterpretations.

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What about the impossibility of a real infinite regress?

There is a lot out there that says
this just doesn't work. Google
'infinite regress god argument
doesn't work' and you'll see.

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Another evidence is your own thought about reincarnation and universal consciousness. I can point to your faith in these things

My trust in the scientific research, you mean?
I don't need 'faith', it's been vetted by science.
Which has looked for your god and failed
to find him.

Quote: Evenbob

Lack of evidence is a very good
pointer. It points in one direction
only.

And what direction is that pray tell?

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Because it lacks physical evidence. It's
just a story and could and probably
does 14 embellishments and 11
jumped to conclusions and 8
misinterpretations.

This presumption and assumption on your part also seems to lack any physical evidence. Should I believe you based on your own personal experience above my own and those who I know? Also why do you think personal testimony is allowed in court?

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There is a lot out there that says
this just doesn't work. Google
'infinite regress god argument
doesn't work' and you'll see.

I have and there is nothing that can explain away the need for some non-contingent foundation for contingent things that exist. I will grant you that you can chalk it up to a mystery but make no mistake about it you cannot avoid the problem of an infinite regress in logic anymore than you can avoid the question, "why is there something rather than nothing?"

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My trust in the scientific research, you mean?
I don't need 'faith', it's been vetted by science.
Which has looked for your god and failed
to find him.

Science looking for God is as silly and religion looking for a cure to polio. Stay in your lane Bob.

Quote: FrGamble

Also why do you think personal testimony is allowed in court?

Because it corroborates other
existing evidence, of which
you have none. All you have
are worthless 'stories', like
every other myth has.

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I will grant you that you can chalk it up to a mystery

It's not even a mystery, it's
just another theory among
many.

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Science looking for God is as silly.

Why would god want to be found
by science, that would take all
the fun out of hiding behind
bushes and popping out at
people. Any discussion about
god is silly, how could it not be.

Quote: FrGamble

I have and there is nothing that can explain away the need for some non-contingent foundation for contingent things that exist. I will grant you that you can chalk it up to a mystery but make no mistake about it you cannot avoid the problem of an infinite regress in logic anymore than you can avoid the question, "why is there something rather than nothing?"

Without you being able to understand that time is infinite in both directions, "because time does not pass", there is no way to have this infinite regress discussion with you.

Can you explain what "time" is ?

Of course you will win all discussions when you get to control the parameters, and whoever you are arguing with has to accept God as an answer.

What is "nothing"?

Quote: petroglyph

Of course you will win all discussions when you get to control the parameters

This is what the Church discovered
eons ago. If they tightly controlled
the parameters, they would win
every argument. For instance,
they start an argument with an
unproven stance and treat it
as truth. "How can you get
something from nothing?"

How do they know there was
'nothing', they're assuming it.
For all they know, the universe
that the galaxies exist in has
been here forever. Just because
our bodies are finite doesn't
mean the universe is.

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Science looking for God is as silly.

So is using faith in science as a justification or validation of faith in god.

Quote: petroglyph

Can you explain what "time" is ?

Time is a succession of moments that follow one another. As such it is contingent on what came before. Therefore it cannot be infinite in the past but must have a start or beginning. If there was no beginning then there could be no present moment. Think of a stack of Lego stretching beneath the floor. You would know that this stack of Legos must have a foundation on which the whole stack rests upon even without seeing it. Time stretches back and back beyond our sight but if there is a present moment it is neccessary to have a first moment when time began.

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What is "nothing"?