Wedding photos you can't show your babushka

Quote: FrGamble

He fulfilled it and brought it to completion. .

According to the Jews, he most certainly did
not. And it's their religion, they should know.
Jesus loved the OT, he constantly referred
to it. But now we're supposed to ignore the
OT because a bunch of Catholics cobbled
together a new testament and declared
the old one 'fulfilled'. I don't think so,
and the Jews for sure don't think so.

You ask why do we look at pictures of
nude women. You've been to Italy and
Greece, there are nude statues of naked
women literally everywhere. Why did
those cultures obviously like to look
at nude women, why don't you start
there and work your way up to the
21st century and lets see how your
moral condemnation holds up.

Quote: FrGamble

What is your argument? Because people in the Bible did bad things it is okay for me to objectify and exploit women? I don't follow you.

My argument is that the bible objectifies and exploits women, as shown in the Lot story, and I could name others. We have to rely on our own human decency not to, as opposed to a book.

The objectify and exploit women thing has
always puzzled me. Take Playboy. They
pay these women huge sums to pose
naked, and the women seek it out and
are quite cutthroat about it. They love
doing it, women love showing off their
bodies.

Where is the exploitation, I don't see it.
Many young women have been call
girls to put themselves thru college
to avoid getting huge student loans.
How are they being exploited.

When a woman seeks out this kind of
work, when there are lots of other job
opportunities available, how by any
stretch is she being exploited.

If she wants to show off her body in
Playboy for money, why would I not
look at her pics. She wants us to look
at her or she wouldn't have done it,
she wants to be objectified. When a
woman with a good figure wears a
skimpy bikini on a beach, she wants
and expects to be an object of beauty
that men look at. To deny this is true
is to deny reality.

Quote: Wizard

My argument is that the bible objectifies and exploits women, as shown in the Lot story, and I could name others. We have to rely on our own human decency not to, as opposed to a book.

I'm sure you can continue to pick out verses as could I, however you make a huge mistake when you cobble just those together and call it the Bible. The Bible extols the dignity and infinite worth of every human person.

However, the main point here is that you are correct we have to rely on our human decency to not objectify and exploit women, which the porn industry does.

Quote: FrGamble

However, the main point here is that you are correct we have to rely on our human decency to not objectify and exploit women

What code of decency controls the fashion industry? They seem to take a giddy delight in role reversal.

Quote: Evenbob

Jesus loved the OT, he constantly referred
to it. But now we're supposed to ignore the
OT because a bunch of Catholics cobbled
together a new testament and declared
the old one 'fulfilled'. I don't think so,
and the Jews for sure don't think so.

I don't think so either. Where you get these crazy ideas is beyond me. You can't have a New Testament without the foundations upon which it is built. The Old Testament ha never and could never be ignored, to do so is to ignore and not understand Christ.

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You ask why do we look at pictures of
nude women. You've been to Italy and
Greece, there are nude statues of naked
women literally everywhere. Why did
those cultures obviously like to look
at nude women, why don't you start
there and work your way up to the
21st century and lets see how your
moral condemnation holds up.

The argument is not about if the female body is beautiful. It most certainly is. That is why in art it is women who represent things like the virtues. I have to laugh a little if you think that pornography of today is comparable to the are of Italy and Greece. You didn't really mean to suggest that pornography today is a tasteful celebration of the female form, did you? Do you think people used to gather in museums or in the town square and masturbate to the statues that are there? If not, you might want to ask yourself what the difference is and what the intent of these beautiful works of art extolling an even more beautiful work of art were for.

Quote: Pacomartin

What code of decency controls the fashion industry? They seem to take a giddy delight in role reversal.

Or the objectification and exploitation of men, thanks for the clarification.

Quote: FrGamble

... that looking at naked women is reducing a human being to a sex object and that is never a good thing.

As opposed to looking at a naked woman and thinking about her mind? Or as opposed to a woman looking at a man and thinking of him as a sex object or looking at a man and thinking of him as a wallet with minimal conversational skills?

You speak of the porn industry. A good segment of the porn market are females and just about all of the porn executives are females. Female porn distributors don't think or feel anything about 'reducing a human being to a sex object' when they cash their paychecks.

Quote: Fleastiff

A good segment of the porn market are females and just about all of the porn executives are females.

I would say a huge percentage of the Economy is dependent on objectification.

I really wish someone would watch the French gender role reversal comedy on Netflix. Although it is a mature comedy, I think the Father would laugh at it.

Quote: FrGamble

Where you get these crazy ideas is beyond me.

Yeah, I got the crazy idea from you.
The OT is 'fulfilled', you just said it
a few posts ago. Now you say it's
not? Really?

Quote: FrGamble

I have to laugh a little if you think that pornography of today is comparable to the are of Italy and Greece..

The porn today isn't even comparable
to the porn 50 years ago, let alone
to ancient times. The very first profitable
business in photography was producing
tintypes of naked women. Very tasteful,
very tame. Yet considered hugely pornographic
in the mid 1800's by the Xtion run moral
country. They even blasted the nude
statues in Rome that you seem to love
so much.

Point is, porn is in the eye of the beholder.
It's an opinion, not a moral given.