Is The Supernatural Real?

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February 28th, 2018 at 9:02:35 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: Wizard
If the evidence points towards reincarnation, then I think there can't be any way to explain it other than a soul. However else could memories pass from one person to another?


No soul explanation:

Brain signals are electrical. That's what an EEG picks up.

These brain signals could be received by other brains. If other brains are interpreting these signals, then you have something you might call collective unconsciousness.

If the collective unconsciousness is flowing all around the globe, perhaps it can manifest subconsciously, as in dreams, or maybe even as memories.
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February 28th, 2018 at 9:52:47 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Dalex64
Brain signals are electrical. That's what an EEG picks up.


Not quite. En EEG picks up electrical activity, not signals.

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These brain signals could be received by other brains.


Very unlikely. Neurons have to almost touch each other to pick up signals. Besides, some of the signal is chemical. No way to toss neurotransmitters in the air.
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February 28th, 2018 at 10:50:43 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Dalex64
No soul explanation:
Brain signals are electrical. That's what an EEG picks up.
These brain signals could be received by other brains. .


An interesting phenom on the kids
who have past memories is, almost
all of them had a traumatic sudden
death in the last life. They were
killed in war, or a car wreck, or in
some way that ended their lives
unexpectedly. The trauma has
something to do with the memories
from that life staying with them.
Nobody knows why, just lots of
theories.

Also, if they were a man in the last
life, or a woman, the sex stays the
same usually. Not always, but most
of the time. And they mostly come
back in the same general area where
they died, a few miles, to a few hundred.
Somebody dying in Germany and
showing up in India is very rare.
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February 28th, 2018 at 11:37:30 AM permalink
FrGamble
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You mean the galaxies in the universe,
not the universe itself. The product of
the BB is NOT the universe, it's in the
universe. The actual universe has been
here forever, is infinite, and has no
beginning and no end. Beginnings
and endings are illusions of our minds.
We are fish trying to figure out the
ocean we swim in, thinking it's the universe
because that's what it looks like and we
don't know any better.


No, I mean the universe. As does every single modern cosmologist. Your lack of basic understanding of the Big Bang model needs to be corrected. Each galaxy did not have its own BB, they formed after the Big Bang that began the universe. Universe means everything that exists; all space, time, matter, and energy. Do you have a different definition of universe? Do you have a different model of the Big Bang theory? If so where did it come from?
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February 28th, 2018 at 11:38:16 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: Nareed
Not quite. En EEG picks up electrical activity, not signals.

Very unlikely. Neurons have to almost touch each other to pick up signals. Besides, some of the signal is chemical. No way to toss neurotransmitters in the air.


how do you suppose it picks up that electrical activity? It is sending electromagnetic radiation. in other words... a signal.

Yes, the EEG does not pick up the hormones and chemical signals, but synapses transmit both chemically and electrically.

I hate speaking in analogies, but you might imagine the difference between speaking with someone in person, and speaking with them over the phone. Over the phone you lose a lot of communications mediums - visual (assuming you are not video conferencing), touch, smell. but communication is still possible.

As for distance, the electrical signals continue to travel, but the photons in them become more and more dispersed, so the signal gets weaker in an inverse-squared relationship. but in a sci-fi sort of way it is plausible for neurons that weren't too busy listening to something else could hear them.

note - sci-fi and plausible. I'm just presenting an idea that doesn't involve a soul, which so far has been undetectable.
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February 28th, 2018 at 11:40:37 AM permalink
boymimbo
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Quote: Nareed
Strictly speaking, that was just a moment ago. Since then the Universe has grown larger.


Observationally, from where we are sitting, that appears to be true.
February 28th, 2018 at 11:41:40 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: FrGamble
No, I mean the universe. As does every single modern cosmologist. Your lack of basic understanding of the Big Bang model needs to be corrected. Each galaxy did not have its own BB, they formed after the Big Bang that began the universe. Universe means everything that exists; all space, time, matter, and energy. Do you have a different definition of universe? Do you have a different model of the Big Bang theory? If so where did it come from?


actually they came up with a word bigger than universe - multiverse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

one of the concepts is -

we've had a big bang to form our universe. if that universe came into an existing void, what's to say some great distance away, another universe didn't also big-bang into existence?

even if it wasn't a pre-existing void, and time and space and the laws of physics all came into being at that time, one of the multiverse theory ideas is all of that also could have happened more than once, forming different universes. At the same time, not just one after the other so only one exists at a time.
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February 28th, 2018 at 11:49:42 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Dalex64
how do you suppose it picks up that electrical activity? It is sending electromagnetic radiation. in other words... a signal.


Not really. it's like when you are in a large room with lots of people. You pick up the buzz, literally, of conversations, but not the conversations themselves. So an EEG can tell you that cells in some part of the brain are active and how active they are, but not what they are doing.


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note - sci-fi and plausible. I'm just presenting an idea that doesn't involve a soul, which so far has been undetectable.


The soul is a spiritual metaphor. It's real, but completely abstract with no physical existence. If you must find its traces, you can point to documents, works, memories, etc.

For example: what's left of Julius Caesar's soul? A great deal, actually, given he died over 2,000 years ago. there are statues of him, histories of him, his own writings, records of various kinds (letters, mentions in official documents, etc.), even cliches and sayings like "The die is cast."

Oh, Caesar is dead and will remain dead. But we can know some of him even after all this time.
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February 28th, 2018 at 11:52:20 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Dalex64
one of the multiverse theory ideas is all of that also could have happened more than once, forming different universes. At the same time, not just one after the other so only one exists at a time.


The possibilities are endless. It's one
of the last frontiers where it's the battle
of the god people to cram their
4000 year old narrative into a cosmos
that is far too big for it. A universe
that's been here forever doesn't fit
the fire sale 'better hurry' message
of most god religions.
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February 28th, 2018 at 11:57:10 AM permalink
rxwine
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Once we create true AI, it will probably try to find the meaning of its own existence. What are we going to tell it? I would hate to disappoint it and say we use it as a marketing tool to sell stuff.
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