Will God Survive Science

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March 2nd, 2018 at 5:02:38 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Do you want to talk about this and have a dialogue?


Dialog? Sure.

Read this carefully and understand that to
an atheist, this makes every bit as much
sense as anything your church or the Baptists
believe about Jesus.

Moonies deny the deity of Jesus Christ; instead they claim He was just a man, not God. ("God is just like you and me. All human traits originate in God." -- Moon, Christianity in Crisis, p. 4; and "He can by no means be God Himself." -- Divine Principle, pp. 210-211). They teach that Jesus was not virgin born, but was the bastard offspring of Zechariah and Mary! They also claim that Jesus failed in His earthly mission (Divine Principle, pp. 143-145), and that Christ's purpose in coming was to marry and to produce perfect children. However, He was killed before He could fulfill His mission (i.e., "The Cross is the symbol of defeat of Christianity," Moon, 1973). Moonies believe that John the Baptist was responsible for the death of Jesus (by failing to convert his audience into a power bloc for Jesus) (Divine Principle, pp. 156-162), and that Christ's death on the cross was not an original or essential part of God's plan of redemption ("... however devout a man of faith may be, he cannot fulfill physical salvation by redemption through Jesus crucifixion alone." -- Divine Principle, p. 148), but that God merely used it to provide an incomplete, spiritual salvation. They do not believe that Jesus was physically resurrected (cf. 1 Cor. 15:12-20), but that He returned as a spirit, and that a "third Adam" must come to fulfill God's plan for physical salvation by marrying and producing the sinless race. The Unification Church has given titles to Moon that indicate it considers him to be this "third Adam."

In fact it makes MORE sense because
Jesus was not divine, not virgin born,
didn't die to save anybody, wasn't
physically resurrected. Atheists don't
have a god, so this is just another version
of the myth. Another cult, another story.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 2nd, 2018 at 7:20:33 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Okay let's start with clarifying the question we are discussing. Are we going to dialogue about the question: is Catholicism a cult? Or would you like to propose a different question; you brought up a lot of misunderstandings recently so we could talk about if Catholics worship idols, if the Pope is the sole head of the Church, the Eucharist, is there any non-Biblical text that is equal to or above the Bible, or are there any teachings of the Church contrary to the Bible? Maybe we should focus on if Catholicism is a cult, but you choose.
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March 2nd, 2018 at 8:48:57 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Maybe we should focus on if Catholicism is a cult, .


To me it's a cult, to you it isn't, who cares.

I'm much more interested in what Bart
Ehrman says about the gospels. How
they are not written by eyewitnesses,
were all written decades and decades
after the events, and were all written
in a language that wasn't spoken by
the people the gospels were about,
by men who lived nowhere near that
area. At least half the books in the NT
are outright forgeries, written by god
knows who or for what reason.

So you have 4 gospels that say contradictory
things, were not written by anybody who
was there or even knew anybody who was
there. What people have done since the
NT came out, is take all 4 gospels, smash
them together, and make their own gospel
out of the mess. This is why there are so
many brands of Xtionity.

This is why the Moonie version is just as
valid as any other version to an outsider.
Nobody can know what really happened,
if anything, from the sketchy and contradictory
4 gospels, so y'all make up your own versions
and put the stamp of authenticity on it
and claim it's the only true version.

To an atheist outsider it's all pure deluded
insanity. It all has to be dismissed as unproveable
and useless ramblings. It's followers have to
be viewed as having a few screws loose to
believe any of it.

Like I said, at least the Moonies were smart
enough to erase most of the supernatural
claptrap from their version to bring
it out of the supernatural dark ages and
make it more modern. Kudos to them for
that, at least.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 2nd, 2018 at 9:06:04 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Okay so the question is are the Gospels reliable?
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March 2nd, 2018 at 10:47:59 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Okay so the question is are the Gospels reliable?


Why do you think Ehrman went from a rabid
believer to an agnostic/atheist when he
discovered the truth about what the NT
really is. When he uncovered it's mostly
fantasy, mostly invented stories to bolster
a myth. It destroyed his faith, just like it
destroyed Joseph Campbell's. The truth
will do that to you. Real truth, not Vatican
truth.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 3rd, 2018 at 11:07:48 AM permalink
FrGamble
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New thread started.
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