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The Trump Impeachment Thread
| February 15th, 2021 at 5:30:07 AM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! That's laughable! Here, check it out: https://nypost.com/2021/02/14/louisiana-gop-censures-sen-cassidy-over-trump-impeachment-vote/ Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy has already been censured by the Republican Party in the state due to voting to convict Trump, who was found, "Not Guilty," anyway. So, "The party of freedom," as we can clearly see, will take action against its own members for making an individual decision based on their conscience, or whatever he's claiming to have made the decision based on. Real, "Free Thinkers," right? Sounds like cancel culture to me. I just love when one party gets compared to the other. It always gives me an opportunity---you guys say, "Sheeple," I say, "Sleeple," who will never wake up to the fact that BOTH parties and the entire political process in this country are farcical. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| February 15th, 2021 at 5:32:24 AM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
Yeah, if one of the Democrats had thought for themselves they might have been censured. ...oh, wait. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| February 15th, 2021 at 7:01:53 AM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4530 |
What has being censured have to do with it. Have the confidence in yourself to make your own decisions. If others don't agree and take some action against you that is just the way it is. The US was founded on such principles, such a long way your country has fallen. You Mission with your politics I would have thought would agree with that. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| February 15th, 2021 at 7:36:06 AM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
Your underlying argument is that no Democrats deviated because of groupthink and the potential consequences for deviation. Your underlying argument also assumes that more than zero Democrats would even want to deviate, in terms of their vote, for which you have presented no evidence other than your bare assertion. I DO agree that you should make your own decisions, independently, and the chips will fall where they fall. I'm simply suggesting that it is not a trait of the Democratic or Republican parties, on the whole, to encourage individual thought. The censure basically demonstrates that, at least in the case of the Louisiana Republican Party. Another thing that demonstrates that is the reasoning for the censure. It's not even about loyalty to the party, per se, but rather the perception that those in the party should be unfailingly loyal to one man, namely, Donald Trump. Just for fun, let's assume that your underlying argument is right and that there are Democratic Representatives and Senators who would have otherwise deviated, but for the consequences: Even then, the potential consequences become part of the equation in making one's decision. IOW, there's no provable way (short of someone directly saying so) to know that the consequences vis-a-vis the party played any role---or the extent of the role they played---in coming to a decision. My point in bringing up the censure is that the Representatives and Senators had the unique task of voting individually on the Impeachment. Why should anyone who was not tasked with doing that issue a formal reprimand (such as censure) if they don't like how the person voted? It's literally the Republican Party saying, "If you think for yourself, we will punish you." "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| February 15th, 2021 at 8:29:45 AM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4530 |
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| February 15th, 2021 at 9:07:09 AM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
I'm talking about the party, not the individuals who voted one way or another. The individual who voted against Trump was censured because the Republican Party wants to encourage groupthink---as far as undying loyalty to Trump is concerned, anyway. If you want me to concede that a few Republicans voted against the prevailing opinion of the party---conceded as obvious. That says something about those individuals, but it doesn't prove that the Republican Party is the party that, "Loves freedom." If they loved freedom, then they wouldn't censure someone for disagreeing with their position on the matter when the actual voting was not their responsibility anyway. Besides, everyone knows the Libertarian Party is the one that loves freedom. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| February 15th, 2021 at 9:54:34 AM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 76 Posts: 12501 | Trump is not done wrecking the republican party So far he has done great Due to Trump, Dems control Presidency, House and Senate Would have never happened without Trump More republican destruction ahead Everybody knows Senators and House members gain more power they stay in their jobs Yet Trump wants to primary anybody not loyal to him replacing powerful republicans with weak republicans Trump lost the center but not the base Meaning he can win the nomination but not the Presidency again Therefore If Trump wins the nomination, he will be a weaker candidate then somebody that can attract the middle and win Therefore Trump can guarantee Biden or Harris wins 2024 Trump used to be a Dem, he's playing 3d chess while republicans are still playing checkers Remember, he's Putin's guy. Putin plays chess Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| February 15th, 2021 at 11:03:36 AM permalink | |
| SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 5746 | Are there odds on the Democrats impeaching Donald John Trump again? I mean, if they were being honest they should, shouldn’t they? Isn’t there another article or two they can scrounge up? Why not impeach him for the phone call trying to swing Georgia his way? Totally different crime than inciting the insurrection, right? How about the emoluments stuff? Certainly you could get all the House Democrats to send that article over to the Senate, right? I’m sure ams or Rx can come up with a half dozen more without thinking too hard. Why AREN’T they, other than of course it would look bad politically? Really, we can have our monthly impeachment trial, right? They certainly don’t care about having no chance to convict.... |
| February 15th, 2021 at 11:03:37 AM permalink | |
| SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 5746 | Are there odds on the Democrats impeaching Donald John Trump again? I mean, if they were being honest they should, shouldn’t they? Isn’t there another article or two they can scrounge up? Why not impeach him for the phone call trying to swing Georgia his way? Totally different crime than inciting the insurrection, right? How about the emoluments stuff? Certainly you could get all the House Democrats to send that article over to the Senate, right? I’m sure ams or Rx can come up with a half dozen more without thinking too hard. Why AREN’T they, other than of course it would look bad politically? Really, we can have our monthly impeachment trial, right? They certainly don’t care about having no chance to convict.... |
| February 15th, 2021 at 1:00:16 PM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
You'll notice that many Republican Senators and Representatives (as has been mentioned) hung their hat on the notion that it's Unconstitutional to Impeach a POTUS who is no longer sitting. One example of such a person is Mitch McConnell. I think it's pretty evident why these Republicans might go to that as a line of reasoning: It never stops being, 'True.' In other words, no matter what possible Impeachment article the Democrats could bring, they can simply respond that it's Unconstitutional to Impeach a non-sitting President. With that, you don't have to have any discussion about whether or not the content of the Article(s)---or the underlying events---should be Impeachable; you can simply reiterate your position that it's Unconstitutional to Impeach a POTUS who is no longer sitting over and over again. Basically, any of those things that you mentioned above (as well as dereliction of duty) should have been brought forward as separate Articles this time, but I think part of why they didn't was because they were hoping to maybe hold a hearing BEFORE Trump was out of office. Otherwise, Republicans could simply hide behind the line, "It's not Constitutional to Impeach a President who is no longer sitting." Secretly, I imagine both sides are more-or-less satisfied with how this turned out. Stalemate by design. ADDED BONUS REASON: You can give the, 'Unconstitutional,' line without being forced to actually defend Trump himself. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |