The Trump Impeachment Thread

Quote: ams288

Of particular note is the "country" line, which may indicate we are about to get some juicy intel from another country's intelligence community.

Maybe.

Or maybe it's some demented figment of Golden Boy's imagination.

When you hear that "sources within the State Department said...", you don't assume it refers to the diplomatic agency of Upper Begonia or the Principality of Freedonia.


What really surprise me is how eager the Trumpkins are to brag about their hypocrisy. Now they're complaining that the special counsel investigation may look at criminal activity not related to the main object of the investigation. Are they really that ignorant, or that hypocritical? I see no other choice. for one thing, any investigation uncovering unrelated crimes or criminal actions within their purview, either investigates those as well or refers them to other agencies. For another, haven't they demanded police at all levels ascertain the immigration status of any and all suspects, even though there is no legal obligation to do so?

Let's say you're investigating Donald for murder. In the course of your investigation you find evidence of money laundering, people trafficking, armed robbery and fraud. But you also find exonerating evidence regarding the murder. Trumpkins would have you believe this hypothetical Donald should be let off scot-free, as he wasn't guilty of the object of the investigation. Unless, of course, he has brown skin, in which case you should determine how he entered the country illegally.

Donald just confirmed he is under investigation in an ill-advised tweet:

Quote: @realDonaldTrump

I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt

Unclear whether he's referring to Rosenstein or Mueller.

Quote: RonC

I said this incorrectly before, so I am editing it...

That someone is being investigated means very little unless evidence of an actual illegal action is found. Trump being "under investigation"does not prove anything. I thought we long ago decided that there actually had to be something done that was wrong for being investigated to matter. Once an allegation, indictment, article of impeachment, etc. comes out, then it means something...but even then, it still unproven until it goes to court or Congress.

Innocent until proven guilty. Not guilty because the media says so or someone leaks that they think he may be guilty...when an anonymous person leaks something, you have to look at their motivation for doing so.

The media is playing games by trying to make the story whatever they want it to be.

We're being played. The media wants to try this in the court of public opinion, not in the Congress.

This is not the tune Republicans (especially Donald) were singing during the campaign.

Quote: ams288

Unclear whether he's referring to Rosenstein or Mueller.

As far as I know, Mueller wasn't even in the picture until Rosenstein named him special counsel. So it must be Rosenstein Golden Boy is referencing. However, Rosenstein isn't investigating Trump or the Russia affair. Mueller is.


Reagan was often caricatured as being a senile, doddering fool. Remarkably when it was disclosed he had Alzheimer's, this didn't become the butt of jokes or even an I-told-you-so. But if you review Reagan's two terms, he comes off as an adept politician who implemented most of his agenda with a fair measure of support from the opposition. That's not what you'd expect from a senile fool. You did not see things like Reagan undercutting his own staff, or his cabinet.

Old Donald seems to be getting senile.

Quote: Nareed

As far as I know, Mueller wasn't even in the picture until Rosenstein named him special counsel. So it must be Rosenstein Golden Boy is referencing. However, Rosenstein isn't investigating Trump or the Russia affair. Mueller is.

Fun fact: Sarah Huckabee Sanders confirmed yesterday that the day before Rosenstein named him special counsel, Bob Mueller was at the White House for a job interview(!!!).

Quote: ams288

Fun fact: Sarah Huckabee Sanders confirmed yesterday that the day before Rosenstein named him special counsel, Bob Mueller was at the White House for a job interview(!!!).

Talk about being saved by the office of special counsel!

About the Ronsenstein press release, I think he's being Spicered.

Quote:

Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary Ben Carson says special counsel Robert Mueller should be given a "chance" to conduct a fair investigation into possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

"I would give him the chance to see if he could do that because if there's nothing there - he's not gonna find anything anyway," Carson told Fox News Radio in an interview Friday.

Oh oh, Carson is going off Trump's Christmas Card list.

Quote: Ben Carson

"I would give him the chance to see if he could do that because if there's nothing there - he's not gonna find anything anyway," Carson told Fox News Radio in an interview Friday.

Quote: rxwine

Oh oh, Carson is going off Trump's Christmas Card list.

A fair investigation without all of the leaks would be a lot better for all of us.

Gossip from DC is that Republicans in Congress are running pools about whom President Pence will pick as VP.

I don't really believe it (I mean, Golden Boy would be blowing up Tweeter if it were true). But I hope I'm wrong.

Don't call this an epiphany, more like an observation.

The character of the man counts a lot when it comes to impeachment, but also the reaction to the investigation.

Consider that Reagan actually did trade arms to Iran in exchange for the release of hostages in Lebanon (or at least the Iranians convinced him they could get them released), and then diverted at least part of the money involved to the "Contras" in Nicaragua. I think in all that, there are several impeachable offenses.

Now, while the scandal broke late in his second term, there was no big push to impeach and remove him. Partly, IMO, that is because the man had a good character (or at least he displayed it publicly), and he didn't rush to circle the wagons and impede any investigations (and also he planned ahead and got himself protected with loyal underlings as scapegoats).

Contrast that to Clinton and Trump. Both have flawed characters that rub people the wrong way. Both of them also got in the way of the investigations. We know what happened with Clinton. Hopefully things won't turn out so well with Trump.