The Trump implosion thread!

Quote: AZDuffman

Calling him "the worst" is a stretch. His presidency was a failure though. He moved a lot of paper to be sure. But he creates a permanent, multi-generational poverty class. He created structural deficits for the first time and they have lasted until today. Vietnam was a disaster no matter how you look at it.

I don't want to get into another Vietnam debate.

But, on social policies, saying that all he did was push paper is absurd. He sent troops into cities to protect civil rights marchers from local police after the Governor failed to act. He did the same thing later with some riots. He had no issue using the military domestically to ensure security and progress.

Also, he pushed the most comprehensive civil rights legislation, prohibiting racists policies in employment, buisness, academic admissions, government policy. He lifted voting restrictions (poll taxes and literacy exams).

He pushed the clean air act, an environmental revolution for its time. He also pushed the Wilderness Act.

He created Medicare and medicaid.

He created the Freedom of Information act.

He also created 911.

Basically, he is the perfect Democrat, strong on military (both foriegn and domestic), strong on civil rights, strong on Healthcare, and strong on environmental regulation (in many ways ahead of his time). He is almost the closet President I can find in recent history that I agree with almost everything as far as his major policy positions.

Quote: Gandler

I support all these, also I support the Vietnam War so unlike many I dont hold that as a negative to weigh against them.

Subtracting the $4 trillion added by the Bush Jr. wars, paying for all those Johnson programs, left the nation bankrupt and $19 trillion in debt, and State and Local governments $3 trillion in debt, by the time Trump took office.

Quote: AZDuffman

Calling him "the worst" is a stretch. His presidency was a failure though.

So much so he refused to run
in 68. I was 20 in '68, we hated
Johnson's guts. He was a Texas
buffoon who gave us the
welfare society that haunted
us for decades, and killed my
friends in Vietnam.

Quote: Tanko

Subtracting the $4 trillion added by the Bush Jr. wars, paying for all those Johnson programs, left the nation bankrupt and $19 trillion in debt, and State and Local governments $3 trillion in debt, by the time Trump took office.

Yes Trump's tax cuts did so much to help the national debt....

Quote: Gandler

Basically, he is the perfect Democrat, strong on military (both foriegn and domestic), strong on civil rights, strong on Healthcare, and strong on environmental regulation (in many ways ahead of his time). He is almost the closet President I can find in recent history that I agree with almost everything as far as his major policy positions.

Well you did name practically everything they hate.

Quote: Gandler

Yes Trump's tax cuts did so much to help the national debt....

They certainly helped personal debt.

Federal tax revenues increased each year, after Trump signed the tax cut bill in 2017.

Those tax cuts increased the number of employed Americans from 152,216,000 in December 2016, to 158,803,000 by December 2019.

Those tax cuts increased the number of job openings from 5.5 million in December 2016 to 7.3 million by October 2019.

Mandatory built in spending increases for Johnson’s programs caused the deficit to increase.

LBJ's policies set the nation up for massive deficit spending and forced the US to abandon the gold standard.

“But after LBJ’s changes, politicians quickly realized that they no longer had to increase taxes (unpopular among the voters) in order to increase spending, especially vote-buying spending on their favorite special interest groups. The government could borrow to fund ever increasing deficits,....”

Quote: Evenbob

Lots of Blacks certainly do. I subscribe
to several Youtube channels with
Black hosts and they talk about it
all the time.

Exactly. Trump has strongly supported HBCUs (Historically black colleges and universities) and also signed the First Step Act. Both of these are widely supported by black people.

But then again, I guess a young 20-something white libbie knows more about black issues than actual black people. 😒

Quote: Tanko

They certainly helped personal debt.

Federal tax revenues increased each year, after Trump signed the tax cut bill in 2017.

Those tax cuts increased the number of employed Americans from 152,216,000 in December 2016, to 158,803,000 by December 2019.

Those tax cuts increased the number of job openings from 5.5 million in December 2016 to 7.3 million by October 2019.

Mandatory built in spending increases for Johnson’s programs caused the deficit to increase.

LBJ's policies set the nation up for massive deficit spending and forced the US to abandon the gold standard.

“But after LBJ’s changes, politicians quickly realized that they no longer had to increase taxes (unpopular among the voters) in order to increase spending, especially vote-buying spending on their favorite special interest groups. The government could borrow to fund ever increasing deficits,....”

Thanks. And I might point out, under the 'tax cut', I paid substantially more as a 'wealthy' taxpayer, thus helping the federal government. I would think having 6 1/2 million extra Americans with jobs helped too. The race is close now. Without the pandemic, Trump might be running away with it. With the pandemic, it's a toss up.

Quote: Tanko

They certainly helped personal debt.

Federal tax revenues increased each year, after Trump signed the tax cut bill in 2017.

Those tax cuts increased the number of employed Americans from 152,216,000 in December 2016, to 158,803,000 by December 2019.

Those tax cuts increased the number of job openings from 5.5 million in December 2016 to 7.3 million by October 2019.

Mandatory built in spending increases for Johnson’s programs caused the deficit to increase.

LBJ's policies set the nation up for massive deficit spending and forced the US to abandon the gold standard.

“But after LBJ’s changes, politicians quickly realized that they no longer had to increase taxes (unpopular among the voters) in order to increase spending, especially vote-buying spending on their favorite special interest groups. The government could borrow to fund ever increasing deficits,....”

Way to switch the subject.

Look at how much Trump raised the debt compared to Obama (instead of looking at the levels of debt pre-Trump).

https://www.businessinsider.com/national-debt-deficit-trump-how-it-compares-obama-bush-clinton-2019-11


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/#10f6f3b24819


(Also both of those articles are pre-pandemic spending....)

Remeber Trump said that the national debt would be wiped out by the end of his Presidency. If you believe that you must also find last five questions on the cognitive test "very hard"....

Under Trump Federal Revenues have been increasing year after year steadily, like just about any other year (with some exceptions), that means nothing....
https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

FY 2021$3.86 (estimated)
FY 2020$3.71 trillion (estimated)
FY 2019$3.46 trillion (actual)
FY 2018$3.33 trillion
FY 2017$3.32 trillion
FY 2016$3.27 trillion
FY 2015$3.25 trillion
FY 2014$3.02 trillion
FY 2013$2.77 trillion
FY 2012$2.45 trillion
FY 2011$2.30 trillion
FY 2010$2.16 trillion
FY 2009$2.10 trillion
FY 2008$2.52 trillion
FY 2007$2.57 trillion
FY 2006$2.41 trillion
FY 2005$2.15 trillion
FY 2004$1.88 trillion
FY 2003$1.78 trillion
FY 2002$1.85 trillion
FY 2001$1.99 trillion
FY 2000$2.03 trillion
FY 1999$1.82 trillion
FY 1998$1.72 trillion
FY 1997$1.58 trillion
FY 1996$1.45 trillion
FY 1995$1.35 trillion
FY 1994$1.26 trillion
FY 1993$1.15 trillion
FY 1992$1.09 trillion
FY 1991$1.05 trillion
FY 1990$1.03 trillion

Quote: rxwine

Well you did name practically everything they hate.

True, some here want the modern equivalent of literacy tests back so......