The Bible God or Kali

Quote: FrGamble

Are you saying that at the end of your examination you have decided there is no God?!?

You don't decide, it's a realization you
have that just happens. It's something
you instinctually know unless your
mind has been poisoned by nonsense.
It's obvious there is no personal god,
no creator god. It's a conclusion most
indigenous tribes come to when left on
their own. They might worship nature,
or a nature goddess that they know is
mythical, but they never think there
is a real god out there judging their
every thought and promising punishment
if he doesn't like it.

Quote: Evenbob

You don't decide, it's a realization you
have that just happens. It's something
you instinctually know unless your
mind has been poisoned by nonsense.

Who has poisoned you?

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It's obvious there is no personal god,
no creator god.

How is this obvious?

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It's a conclusion most
indigenous tribes come to when left on
their own. They might worship nature,
or a nature goddess that they know is
mythical, but they never think there
is a real god out there judging their
every thought and promising punishment
if he doesn't like it.

This is simply not true. The opposite is the case.

Quote: FrGamble

Who has poisoned you?

Common sense.

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This is simply not true. The opposite is the case.

There were millions of native Americans in
this country at one time, with various kinds
of religions. Which of them were monotheistic
with one personal god only, to the exclusion
of all others. In fact, even the so called 'great
spirit' was perverted by early Christians to make
it look like the Indians already had a male deity.
They did the same thing with early pagans when
they were forcibly converted.

Quote: Evenbob

Common sense.

If you had this you would see the reality of God.

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In fact, even the so called 'great
spirit' was perverted by early Christians to make
it look like the Indians already had a male deity.
They did the same thing with early pagans when
they were forcibly converted.

No, something is surely poisoned your mind and corrupted your view of history.

Quote: FrGamble

No, something is surely poisoned your mind and corrupted your view of history.

Didn't come from me, it's well known. You
should read more than the bilge the Church
spews out.

Quote: Evenbob

Didn't come from me, it's well known. You
should read more than the bilge the Church
spews out.

So the "Great Spirit" of Native Americans, which is often referred to as Mother Nature or in the feminine was made to be a male deity by the Church? Come on man. Also early pagans were forcibly converted? How did that happen? Did they take a break from persecuting and torturing the early Christians to become one? Seriously, you need to free your mind.

Quote: FrGamble

Also early pagans were forcibly converted? How did that happen?

In Rome, at the battle of the Frigidus River. Theodosius I took the Eastern part of the empire to war against the Western part. This established your cult as state religion of all of Rome, and thus made a mockery of Constantine I's Edict of Milan proclaiming toleration of all faiths. After the battle, and the Edict of Thessalonica, persecution of pagans became state policy.

But the real bad guy here was Ambrose, bishop of Milan. He pretty much could manipulate Theodosius I as easily as a puppeteer does with a marionette. And he hated pagans and Jews.

Quote: FrGamble

Also early pagans were forcibly converted? How did that happen?

This is just a small part of it. Pagans
were ruthlessly converted by the
Church all over Europe for hundreds
of years. They didn't cover this in
seminary? I learned it 50 years ago
in HS in my Ancient History class.

"Most were forced to convert by people with large armies. Convert or die.
The Norwegian king Olau killed a quarter of his own kingdom to make it convert... and half his nobles migrated to Iceland because they thought him crazy. Denmark was invaded by The Holy Empire several times before the king decided to convert and make his people convert too. Later, zealous Danes invaded Estonia and killed most of the pagans and cut down all their altars."

Since you never quote your sources Bob, I'm going to guess that last quote you posted was from a book or website that is responsible for poisoning your mind about these issues.

Quote: FrGamble

Since you never quote your sources Bob, I'm going to guess that last quote you posted was from a book or website that is responsible for poisoning your mind about these issues.

A simple Google search will usually reveal if Bob is spouting BS, if you actually wanted to learn the truth about something. No need to guess or assume you already know the truth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_Tryggvason

Searching the books tab in google revealed many books citing King Olaf and his forced conversions and torture and executions of those who refused.

For example https://books.google.com/books?id=t-VVY9-aVYoC&pg=PA125&dq=norway+forced+religious+conversion&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHkZDv-rXOAhWHIMAKHYsfAoMQ6AEIJjAC#v=onepage&q=norway%20forced%20religious%20conversion&f=false

If you want to call knowing the truth "poisoning your mind" then I guess the alternative is to bury your head in the sand, stick your fingers in your ears and shout LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING.