Trump vs Hillary 2016

Somebody don't seem to be afraid of the steps leading up to the White House. Google who did Crooked Hillary lose to.

SNL just mentioned Donald's fear of steps in their cold open.

Expect some angry tweets from the Orange one tomorrow...

Quote: buzzardknot

Somebody don't seem to be afraid of the steps leading up to the White House. Google who did Crooked Hillary lose to.

Probably best to drop the crooked Hillary label as it's been old news for some time now that she's innocent of any wrongdoing, however much Trumpers want to think otherwise.

Anyone with a functioning cerebrum knows that the Orange Asshole came up with that slur to deflect attention from his own decades of fraud. Fourth-grade recess tactic.

And as a matter of fact, Trumpie originally said he wasn't going to live in the White House. I wish he hadn't lied about that--now, they'll have to burn everything he touched.

Quote: stinkingliberal

No, but many of those failings were due to Republican obstructionism, both the flaws that were written into the law originally and those that emerged during its implementation. It's well understood that Obama wanted the law to go further than it did--as did a strong majority (70%) of the American people (but who cares what THEY want).
I attribute the rabid Republican opposition to Obamacare to racism simply because there is no rational reason for them to have opposed it or to be rupturing themselves trying to destroy it. Even Trumpers have benefitted from the ACA!
Besides, who cares whether every promise was fulfilled? The only thing that matters now is whether the program provides tangible benefits. Clearly, 20 million people having access to health care is an intrinsic good--even if corporate profits dropped a little, and even if most of those 20 million were shiftless darkies and Messkins.

You are right. Anyone opposed to anything you are in favor of is racist. How silly of anyone to believe any other thing.

Obama got the bill he could get his fellow Democrats to pass. Those are the only people he had to keep in line. The Republicans may have been "obstructionists" but they could not stop that bill because the Democrats had the votes. Don't blame the crappy bill on anyone but the people who put it in place.

I also like how you move the bar in your writing about the bill...it's okay if some of it was lied about and it doesn't really do what they said it would because lies don't matter as long as you get some benefits form the bill. Are you sure you want to set that low of a standard for Trump? Wait...I'm betting you'll hold him to a higher standard.

I do hold him to a higher standard and I am not happy with everything he does, but that is fair...because I did the same thing for the last President and the ones before that, too. You? Your writing seems to be more in favor of double standards...

Of course, I still believe your writing is not really reflective of how you really feel...it is more to keep the pot stirred...

Van Jones said something in a Time article regarding the protest movement that reflects how poor of a candidate the Democrats ran to oppose Trump...it was something about the energy they can muster against Trump is about five times what they could for Hillary. Hillary may have been the only Democrat that couldn't beat Trump. No matter how much one tries to dress it up, Hillary lost the election for the Democrats. One that was winnable. Trump is their fault, too!

Quote: RonC

I also like how you move the bar in your writing about the bill...it's okay if some of it was lied about and it doesn't really do what they said it would because lies don't matter as long as you get some benefits form the bill. Are you sure you want to set that low of a standard for Trump? Wait...I'm betting you'll hold him to a higher standard.

I do hold him to a higher standard and I am not happy with everything he does, but that is fair...because I did the same thing for the last President and the ones before that, too. You? Your writing seems to be more in favor of double standards...

Of course, I still believe your writing is not really reflective of how you really feel...it is more to keep the pot stirred...

Well, I think that if you made a promise and were unable to keep it, you would resent being called a liar because of that--but it's OK to say that about our former Democrat socialist Muslim darky president.

You are so compelled to twist my words. I didn't say that it didn't matter that Obama was unable to keep all of his promises regarding the ACA. What I did say was what mattered most was that the law was in place and functioning. It was a real longshot that the Republicans wouldn't manage to mess up SOME portion of the ACA rollout. But they failed to blow it up completely, and that's what counts. Here's where your premise is wrong, silly, and flaccid--the law DOES do what Obama said it would do. It allows millions of people who couldn't get health insurance to obtain it. That's what matters. That's what's important. And that's what bothers so many Trumpers in their quest to snuff out the lesser breeds.

I don't hold Trump to ANY standard, as he's a filthy liar and a disgusting human being. I expect him to be America's Pol Pot. He has already shown he has no morality, no decency, and no regard for the truth. Expecting him to act like an actual President is like expecting a cockroach to sing opera. Now, TRUMPERS, I do hold to some kind of standard. Trump was born Trump. They were presumably born human and mutated by choice. That's reprehensible.

And for what it's worth, rest assured that my writing is indeed reflective of my views. I have a deep loathing for the Orange Orangutan and especially, for the ignorant asswipes who voted for him and now continue to fellate him. That will never change.

Quote: RonC

Van Jones said something in a Time article regarding the protest movement that reflects how poor of a candidate the Democrats ran to oppose Trump...it was something about the energy they can muster against Trump is about five times what they could for Hillary. Hillary may have been the only Democrat that couldn't beat Trump. No matter how much one tries to dress it up, Hillary lost the election for the Democrats. One that was winnable. Trump is their fault, too!

Perhaps, but it took Putin, Republican cheating, Comeygate, Russian hacking, and the inherent distortions of the Electoral College in addition to whatever deficiencies Clinton had to swing the election to the Orange Orangutan.

The biggest strategic mistake the Dems made was to wrongly assume that there couldn't possibly be enough assholes in the electorate to give Trump even a ghost of a chance. I freely admit, I didn't think there were, either. It's skin-crawling to think that almost one of every two people you run into in the street is a bigoted, racist, moronic, evil pig. Our society is much more primitive and atavistic than I thought. Maybe I was deluding myself, and maybe the Dems were, too, in thinking that people were starting to become decent. Clearly, a naive assumption.

Clinton could have easily won the election by going into the Rust Belt states and promising Joe Sixpack the moon, the sea, and the stars. She wasn't inclined to try to sell bullcrap, though, which put her at a severe disadvantage versus a pathological liar and populist demagogue. She should have made outrageous promises. Free everything for the flyover state losers. That's all it would have taken.

I take comfort in the long view, that the Trump "Presidency" may cost the Republican party its reputation and power for the next fifty years. Much as Hitler unwittingly ultimately turned Germany into a peaceful and prosperous country, so might Trumpie-poo inadvertently usher in a new era of common decency.

Quote: stinkingliberal

Well, I think that if you made a promise and were unable to keep it, you would resent being called a liar because of that--but it's OK to say that about our former Democrat socialist Muslim darky president.

I think that if I stood up in front of an entire country and made a statement that the bill would absolutely do something that there was no way it could ever do, I would be called a liar. This isn't some conversation about unintended consequences, it was obviously a claim that could not be supported by what was about to be passed into law; then it was repeated again and again AFTER the law was passed.

It doesn't have to do with President Obama's skin color or race label.

It doesn't have to do with religion. I thought he was a Christian; just not sure about the church he went to...

It has to do with falsely reassuring the American people that something would stay the same that they knew would change in many, many cases.

Your position seems to be that no one can ever say anything negative about President Obama because, well, that makes them a racist! How absurd is that?

Yes, the greater good...lie as much as you must for the greater good...

How about just telling the truth? Folks, some things will change out of necessity. We need to give more people the opportunity to get affordable health care, and this is how we can do it...

Quote: RonC

Yes, the greater good...lie as much as you must for the greater good...

How about just telling the truth? Folks, some things will change out of necessity. We need to give more people the opportunity to get affordable health care, and this is how we can do it...

In fact, a cogent argument could be made for doing just that (lying). Any statement that Obama made that increased support for the ACA was inherently beneficial. The Act is an absolute good. The country and citizenry are better off because of it. Not to mention all the Republicans who went home and kicked their dogs, or hanged themselves.

A LOT of the elements of the effectiveness of the ACA depended on how the insurance companies would react to it. Obama probably assumed they would welcome having that many more guaranteed customers. However, most insurance companies are owned by Republicans.

I agree that telling the unvarnished truth: "Folks, this plan is flawed because the Republicans will try to screw it up at every opportunity. Also, you'll still be buying your health insurance from Republicans, so your rates will continue to skyrocket" might have been better tactics in the long run.

Quote: stinkingliberal

The biggest strategic mistake the Dems made was to wrongly assume that there couldn't possibly be enough assholes in the electorate to give Trump even a ghost of a chance. I freely admit, I didn't think there were, either. It's skin-crawling to think that almost one of every two people you run into in the street is a bigoted, racist, moronic, evil pig. Our society is much more primitive and atavistic than I thought. Maybe I was deluding myself, and maybe the Dems were, too, in thinking that people were starting to become decent. Clearly, a naive assumption.

Your skin needn't crawl...perhaps 1 in 100 of the people around you are actually as horrid as you describe them. The interesting thing is that it is also likely 1 of 2 of them lean more your way than the other way.

The rest? It is a big tent when it comes to Trump voters and it is very inclusive. Some people shouldn't be in the tent, but the candidate really has no control over where the fringe folks land.

Most of the people in the tent are okay. You probably deal with them every day. They are your doctor, lawyer, plumber, gardener, train conductor and many other things. Yes, they may be over represented in certain groups, but that is because those groups feel left behind by the other party and that change might just be good. Most of them might not even tell you they supported Trump. They might not have considered their vote "for" Trump; they may have considered it "against" Hillary. I talk to normal folks every day who say that they voted for Trump...people that I thought would never vote for him based on their views.

Don't stress so much about them--they will support Trump again if he does well and steers clear of scandals; they will turn to another candidate if he does not. They did not expect to wake up the day after the election to hear anything but President-elect Clinton. They thought their vote wouldn't really get the job done; everyone told them so. They were likely just as surprised as you were by the results!!

Quote: stinkingliberal

Clinton could have easily won the election by going into the Rust Belt states and promising Joe Sixpack the moon, the sea, and the stars. She wasn't inclined to try to sell bullcrap, though, which put her at a severe disadvantage versus a pathological liar and populist demagogue. She should have made outrageous promises. Free everything for the flyover state losers. That's all it would have taken.

Clinton's mistake was that she looked at all of what happened leading up to the Trump nomination and misread the tea leaves. She thought the path was paved for her coronation and she did not work hard enough to win. Every single "reason" you list for her failure had a lot less to do with it than her failure to have a stump speech that really resonated with the voters. The people were in a mood for change; she didn't provide enough of it. She didn't have to lie to do that; she just had to show that she cared about the problems in a way that made people feel that caring.

She thought it was hers for the asking and she didn't bring an "A" game.

Quote: stinkingliberal

I take comfort in the long view, that the Trump "Presidency" may cost the Republican party its reputation and power for the next fifty years. Much as Hitler unwittingly ultimately turned Germany into a peaceful and prosperous country, so might Trumpie-poo inadvertently usher in a new era of common decency.

I agree. It could be a bad ending for the Republicans if the Trump years are filled with scandals and problems of all sorts. Then again, the Republican party was dead after 2008 and the Democrat Party is dead now, if you read all the reports. I know the former is not true, and I am pretty sure the latter won't prove to be true, either.

I hope common decency comes without everyone wearing pussy hats...