Two Gods or One

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June 7th, 2016 at 2:39:25 PM permalink
Face
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Quote: TheCesspit

As for the evolution dialogue, I think those who feel Evolution is purely random chance fail to understand the power of the Theory.

The creation of life may well have been random chemical soup, but it's persistence is not random chance.

Individual mutations may be random (within certain bounds), but the overall genetic evolution is not completely random.


I'm dying to understand this, but can't seem to find a thread on which to grab. Care to elaborate?

And before you curse me for making you spend even more time in a God thread, just remember: you came here of your own volition ;)
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June 7th, 2016 at 3:41:34 PM permalink
pew
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Quote: Face
I'm dying to understand this, but can't seem to find a thread on which to grab. Care to elaborate?

And before you curse me for making you spend even more time in a God thread, just remember: you came here of your own volition ;)
In evo theory the mutations are random but the selection is not. The organism that fits best in it's environmental niche is able to reproduce thereby preserving the new genetic info.
June 7th, 2016 at 3:44:35 PM permalink
pew
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Circular tautological reasoning at it's best; The fittest survive/ the survivors are the fittest.
June 7th, 2016 at 4:01:07 PM permalink
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Quote: pew
In evo theory the mutations are random but the selection is not. The organism that fits best in it's environmental niche is able to reproduce thereby preserving the new genetic info.


Oh. Must've just been the Queen's English, because I understand that just fine. Though I now don't understand how it's "circular tautological reasoning". Isn't that an oxymoron?
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June 7th, 2016 at 4:08:56 PM permalink
pew
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Oh. Must've just been the Queen's English, because I understand that just fine. Though I now don't understand how it's "circular tautological reasoning". Isn't that an oxymoron?
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June 7th, 2016 at 5:04:40 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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Oh. Must've just been the Queen's English, because I understand that just fine. Though I now don't understand how it's "circular tautological reasoning". Isn't that an oxymoron?


Yeah, I speak funny... or pew just expressed it better than I :)

I always think of Evolution as the survival of the fit -enough-. You don't have to be the best to pass on the DNA.
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June 7th, 2016 at 5:15:22 PM permalink
Face
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Quote: TheCesspit
Yeah, I speak funny... or pew just expressed it better than I :)

I always think of Evolution as the survival of the fit -enough-. You don't have to be the best to pass on the DNA.


Rather I think it was its presence in a God thread. I think I auto jumped to creation when you went anti-random.

But yeah, we're on the same page, then. "Fit enough". I dig that whole line of thought, know right were it goes. And agree with it.
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June 7th, 2016 at 5:47:09 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
The only logical arguments I care about
are the obvious ones. If there is a god,
where the hell is he? I don't see him, I
don't hear him, I don't see him answering
prayers, I don't see his works. It like he
doesn't exist, because, well, he doesn't
exist.


Is that really your criteria for if something exists or not? Do you see Gravity? Or hear it? You cling to the planet and things fall down but you don't see this force acting. Christians have their life changed for the better but you don't see God or hear him - at least observing from the outside. Does that really mean God does not exist?
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June 7th, 2016 at 5:48:19 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Use the logic that FrG uses with Xtionity,
there are over 2 billion Xtions, how can
they all be wrong. Add up all the Hindu's
and Buddhists, there are lots of them too,
how can they all be wrong about the
universe being here forever. Faulty logic
at it's finest.


Again even if the universe has been here forever you still need God to explain the change and motion that even you admit is observable all around us.
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June 7th, 2016 at 5:52:56 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Nareed

Let's talk about shoddy design. Why is there a blind spot right in the middle of your eye? Eyes are so lousy at capturing the world around them, as opposed to a camera, that you need massive amounts of brain power to process the data they produce. The eyes relay data, the brain is what you actually see with. And even then, the brain's hardwired in such a way that it's easy prey to optical illusions.

That's lousy design. If there is a designer, we should sue for malpractice.


Why not use the example of an appendix or something like that instead of pointing to the amazing human eye? What about the amazing brain that comes up with all these amazing analogies and ideas you have and comes up with things like cars and rocket ships? Isn't that amazing?



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Have you considered taking a course in reading comprehension? You have a definition of one term, philosophizing, which is quite separate from a different term, philosophy, yet to you they are synonymous.


Isn't philosophizing the act of doing philosophy?
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