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February 25th, 2016 at 1:52:37 PM permalink
FrGamble
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But if same sex couples are equal, why does the church insist they refrain from ever having sex, but there is no similar oppressive prohibition for heterosexual couples?

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Because sex between two males or females is not according to natural law and the way we were made as the complementarity of the sexes. If as you say, it is self evident that men and women are different then surely you can see that men are not designed to have sex with other men.
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February 25th, 2016 at 2:00:03 PM permalink
rxwine
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Because sex between two males or females is not according to natural law.


So you have no opinion of the natural law of lifetime celibacy?

It's a perversion. It's not natural. Argue that it's at all natural?
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February 25th, 2016 at 2:05:15 PM permalink
Nareed
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Because sex between two males or females is not according to natural law and the way we were made as the complementarity of the sexes.


You never told me whether you realized how well the male hand fits sexually with the male sex organ. This is not so for most other animals, you know. This makes human males special.


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If as you say, it is self evident that men and women are different then surely you can see that men are not designed


I can surely see neither men nor women were designed, yes.

But let me ask: what's the functional and effective difference between a man performing oral sex on a man, and a woman performing oral sex on a man? I really cannot see a difference, no matter how much I try.
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February 25th, 2016 at 2:09:26 PM permalink
Nareed
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It's a perversion. It's not natural. Argue that it's at all natural?


Consider this: in ancient times hygiene was poor, even among fastidious peoples like the Egyptians or the Romans. Streets were rife with sewage, manure and garbage, along with associated vermin. Parasites thrived in an ever-lasting golden age. Bed bugs were not a rare occurrence, but a daily happening. Ticks, lice and the like were distressingly common. Oral hygiene was almost non-existent. Despite the existence and frequent use of baths, soap was but a shadow of what we think of as soap today.

And people still found each other attractive enough to have sex.

Does this answer your question?
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February 25th, 2016 at 2:13:03 PM permalink
rxwine
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Does this answer your question?


What's funny, is I don't really want to condemn celibacy. But it seems obvious to me that it's a pot calling the kettle black.
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February 25th, 2016 at 2:17:03 PM permalink
Evenbob
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So you have no opinion of the natural law of lifetime celibacy?
It's a perversion. It's not natural. Argue that it's at all natural?


"If celibacy is pure, then sex must be dirty. Catholicism supposedly sanctifies it within marriage, but that’s just a way of buying off the laity; the priesthood remains de facto superior. The other Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Islam, mostly consider celibacy unnatural."

"Survey and statistics that show only two percent of priests have been absolutely faithful to their vows of celibacy. Adjustment problems abound as demonstrated by repeated reports of priests abandoning their callings, fathering children, being charged with child molestation."

http://religionvirus.blogspot.com/2010/04/celibacy-is-issue-catholic-elephant.html
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February 25th, 2016 at 2:23:15 PM permalink
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But let me ask: what's the functional and effective difference between a man performing oral sex on a man, and a woman performing oral sex on a man?
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February 25th, 2016 at 2:28:56 PM permalink
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http://www.catholic.com/tracts/celibacy-and-the-priesthood

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Is Marriage Mandatory?

Another, quite different Fundamentalist confusion is the notion that celibacy is unbiblical, or even "unnatural." Every man, it is claimed, must obey the biblical injunction to "Be fruitful and multiply" (Gen. 1:28); and Paul commands that "each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband" (1 Cor. 7:2). It is even argued that celibacy somehow "causes," or at least correlates with higher incidence of, illicit sexual behavior or perversion.

All of this is false. Although most people are at some point in their lives called to the married state, the vocation of celibacy is explicitly advocated—as well as practiced—by both Jesus and Paul.

So far from "commanding" marriage in 1 Corinthians 7, in that very chapter Paul actually endorses celibacy for those capable of it: "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion" (7:8-9).


So, rather than wonder at the inconsistency in 1 Corinthians between "each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband" and "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I am" the Catholics just claim that the directive that you must be married and be fruitful and multiply is not true.

That article also points out that St Peter was married.
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February 25th, 2016 at 3:45:30 PM permalink
FrGamble
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You never told me whether you realized how well the male hand fits sexually with the male sex organ. This is not so for most other animals, you know. This makes human males special.


So you think our opposable thumb was developed specifically to masturbate? It is clear scientifically and in every other way you can imagine that men and women were made for sexual intercourse with each other and that members of the same sex were not.
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February 25th, 2016 at 3:49:52 PM permalink
FrGamble
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What's funny, is I don't really want to condemn celibacy. But it seems obvious to me that it's a pot calling the kettle black.


So someone choosing to remain celibate and unmarried is unnatural? Why do you say that? Is a man whose wife is ill or passes away and decides not to remarry doing something strange or unnatural. What about a man who devotes himself to something in such a way that he knows he would not be able to raise a family or love a spouse in the way he should? I don't see why celibacy is unnatural in anything similar to a same-sex couple who are sexually active.
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