Simple question?

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It would be disgusting and idiocy to tell a young child that same-sex parents aren't or cannot be excellent parents. That child would hopefully know the truth and ignore such stupidity. However, all things being equal placing him with a mom and a dad would be different and better for him going forward.

(Emphasis added)

But that isn't true.

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

The studies show that kids do just as well with any combination of genders for parents.

That link shows 74 studies that support that conclusion, and 4 that do not. It claims that there is a consensus for discrediting the 4 as flawed.

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That link shows 74 studies that support that conclusion, and 4 that do not. It claims that there is a consensus for discrediting the 4 as flawed.

The Bible says nothing about this. It's
the Church's long obsession with sex
that has them in a tizzy over Gay people
being parents.

Quote: Nareed

Now, stop squirming and answer this: why is it wrong for a catholic charity to help place a child with suitable same sex parents?

It is not wrong. Now answer this: Why is it wrong for a Catholic charity to try help place a child with a suitable opposite sex parents?

Can you answer this too: If all things were equal would you rather place a child with a mom and a dad or with a same sex couple?

Quote: FrGamble

Can you answer this too: If all things were equal would you rather place a child with a mom and a dad or with a same sex couple?

And the answer is: It should make no difference!
The same sex couple should be looked at as
EQUAL the opposite sex couple. It's called
non discrimination. Non bias. It's fair. All
unfamiliar terms to the Church.

Quote: FrGamble

Can you answer this too: If all things were equal would you rather place a child with a mom and a dad or with a same sex couple?

If all things are equal, the outcomes for the children are equal. That is what the studies show.

If all things are equal, it is discriminatory to then select between them unequally.

Quote: FrGamble

It is not wrong.

Than why close down such agencies rather than do something you admit would not be wrong for them to do?

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Now answer this: Why is it wrong for a Catholic charity to try help place a child with a suitable opposite sex parents?

When have I claimed this?

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Can you answer this too: If all things were equal would you rather place a child with a mom and a dad or with a same sex couple?

It depends. If we do it the Catholic way, I'd kick the breeder couple out and tell them to go look for a Catholic agency instead.

But if we go the moral route, and no couple is clearly better or worse than the other, then whichever applied first, and the other couple goes next.

Quote: Nareed

Than why close down such agencies rather than do something you admit would not be wrong for them to do?

Because they desire to place children in what they believe is the best possible home for them. You also are ignoring the fact that if it is not wrong for them to place children in homes with a mom and a dad then why is the government taking away their funding?!?

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When have I claimed this?

I don't know based on your questions to me I thought we were just making up questions based on something that neither of us ever said.

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But if we go the moral route, and no couple is clearly better or worse than the other, then whichever applied first, and the other couple goes next.

To say that it doesn't matter if a child goes to a same sex couple or a heterosexual couple is to deny the role of gender as significant in raising a child.

Does a man naturally have the gifts of a mother or a female have the natural gifts to be a father?

Quote: Evenbob

And the answer is: It should make no difference!

It does make a difference! To ignore the fact that gender is an important part of what it means to be a father or a mother is to ignore truth, something you seem very familiar with.

Quote: FrGamble

Because they desire to place children in what they believe is the best possible home for them.

Premise: it's not wrong to place a child with a same sex couple fit to be good parents
Second premise: if an adoption agency takes tax money, it cannot discriminate against same sex couples

Conclusion: It is best to close the adoption agency rather than help same sex couples adopt children.

That's your prerogative. But the next time you say anything about using logic and reason, I'll laugh so hard at the absurdity, I'll get an aneurysm.

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You also are ignoring the fact that if it is not wrong for them to place children in homes with a mom and a dad then why is the government taking away their funding?!?

The government never told them they cannot place children with straight couples.

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Does a man naturally have the gifts of a mother or a female have the natural gifts to be a father?

If either men or women in general had any innate skills to be fathers or mothers, the world would be a much better place than it is right now.

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Premise: it's not wrong to place a child with a same sex couple fit to be good parents
Second premise: if an adoption agency takes tax money, it cannot discriminate against same sex couples

Third premise: it's preferable to place a child with a mom and a dad and it is not discrimination to do this.
Fourth premise: there are plenty of moms and dads who desire to adopt.
Conclusion: The government should not take away the money necessary for these agencies to provide a service to society that they themselves cannot or will not do.

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Conclusion: It is best to close the adoption agency rather than help same sex couples adopt children.

Your conclusion by the way doesn't follow from your premises.

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The government never told them they cannot place children with straight couples.

But they did say you could not give preference to homes with a mom and a dad.